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Re: Laderach (Läderach)... run by anti-gay and anti-abortion religious fundamentalist

Swiss ends partnership with chocolate manufacturer, Läderach, because of complaints from the gay and abortion (pro choice) movements and many of their staff.



Sorry can't post the link from the Beobachter.
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Re: Laderach (Läderach)... run by anti-gay and anti-abortion religious fundamentalist

Here's the Blick reprint of the Beobachter article:
https://www.blick.ch/news/wirtschaft...d15725459.html
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Swiss ends partnership with chocolate manufacturer, Läderach, because of complaints from the gay and abortion (pro choice) movements and many of their staff.



Sorry can't post the link from the Beobachter.
Thanks Oldhand! This article basically makes many of the people in this thread look very silly as it shows that things like this DO matter to people and that it hasn't "given Laderach great publicity"... although of course those of us in this thread with some common sense and a more developed sense of conscience knew that anyway (as usual ). https://www.blick.ch/news/wirtschaft...d15725459.html

I hope this isn't the end of the negative impacts for a deluded family pouring their chocolate-gained resources into trying to undo a lot of the hard-gotten gains that women and homosexuals have made in gaining the freedom and rights to choose the course of their own lives.

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I hope this isn't the end of the negative impacts for a deluded family pouring their chocolate-gained resources into trying to undo a lot of the hard-gotten gains that women and homosexuals have made in gaining the freedom and rights to choose the course of their own lives.
Wishing suffering on other people. How charming. Much better to have that warm glow of self-righteousness than hope they change their views. Perhaps their company should be confiscated, and the former owners should all be banged up in some internment camp. Then you could have a real party.
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This article basically makes many of the people in this thread look very silly as it shows that things like this DO matter to people
Not really. They're only doing it in order to achieve an appearance of being moral - virtue by association. Furthermore the thrust of those people you think now look silly was not that people don't care, but that you (and others) were virtue signalling.

If the perceived mores of society were to change, Swiss would jump on that bandwagon, so do try not to be too impressed by them. Essentially "virtue signalling" writ large - which is rather proving the point.
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Wishing suffering on other people. How charming. Much better to have that warm glow of self-righteousness than hope they change their views. Perhaps their company should be forced purchased, and they should all be banged up in some internment camp. Then could have a real party.
You know when an argument is desperate and not a little deranged when, in the context of a company being penalized for right-wing religious views, you see a sentence intended to defend them that reads:

"Wishing suffering on other people. How charming. Perhaps their company should be forced purchased, and they should all be banged up in some internment camp. Then could have a real party.".



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Furthermore the thrust of those people you think now look silly was not that people don't care, but that you (and others) were virtue signalling.
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Because everyone who has a strong opinion on certain things is just....virtue signalling?

OK.
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Because everyone who has a strong opinion on certain things is just....virtue signalling?

OK.
Don't worry - virtue signalling is just an alt-right buzzword for "doing the right thing". I wouldn't get too worried being called one.

Whatever your opinion of him, Chuff has won this thread. The naysayers should politely acknowledge this and scuttle off to lick their wounds.
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Wishing suffering on other people. How charming. Much better to have that warm glow of self-righteousness than hope they change their views. Perhaps their company should be confiscated, and the former owners should all be banged up in some internment camp. Then you could have a real party.
But then again, giving them the poor-me victim card is also wrong. The bloke made a series of facepalmingly bad business decisions in this case which has resulted in where we are today. Shit publicity and a major company pulling its association with it.

If you're a business owner of that magnitude and you want to avoid negative publicity, don't nail your colours to controversial masts.

Have all the private thoughts you want about gays and women having abortions, you can even discuss them with your like-minded buddies down at the club, but it's not the wisest choice to make it part of your marketing strategy, intentionally or not.
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Old 30.01.2020, 10:41
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Not really. They're only doing it in order to achieve an appearance of being moral - virtue by association. Furthermore the thrust of those people you think now look silly was not that people don't care, but that you (and others) were virtue signalling.
I find that certain people on this forum who keep presenting their religious credentials and 'apparent' high morals because of their religious convictions are really just virtue-signalling too - by definition.
They are surely the biggest virtue-signallers that exist.

So let's not be hypocritical? OK?
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Wishing suffering on other people. How charming.
Eh? Trying to negatively impact the business of a company some perceive as 'bad' is what this thread is all about, and it's not at all the same thing as "wishing suffering" on people.

Sure, you can extrapolate to a point where someone might suffer as a result, but that's true with any business decision, and no more so than, for example, one business trying to win sales at the expense of another.

Gloating and feeling self-righteous about being proved right is all that's going on here, unattractive as that is.
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Re: Laderach (Läderach)... run by anti-gay and anti-abortion religious fundamentalist

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But then again, giving them the poor-me victim card is also wrong. The bloke made a series of facepalmingly bad business decisions in this case which has resulted in where we are today. Shit publicity and a major company pulling its association with it.

If you're a business owner of that magnitude and you want to avoid negative publicity, don't nail your colours to controversial masts.

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This...

There's actually nothing to gloat about. I live here for quite some time and feel attached to things and people, and I wouldn't wish any Swiss business/brand to go down.
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Re: Laderach (Läderach)... run by anti-gay and anti-abortion religious fundamentalist

The question is: what vendor do they choose now?


Or was this just an excuse to cut the chocolate all together?
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But then again, giving them the poor-me victim card is also wrong. The bloke made a series of facepalmingly bad business decisions in this case which has resulted in where we are today. Shit publicity and a major company pulling its association with it.

If you're a business owner of that magnitude and you want to avoid negative publicity, don't nail your colours to controversial masts.

Have all the private thoughts you want about gays and women having abortions, you can even discuss them with your like-minded buddies down at the club, but it's not the wisest choice to make it part of your marketing strategy, intentionally or not.
The 'bloke' did nothing of the sort, its never been a secret that for generations his family has been a huge part of this 'church' and this churches strict interpretation of the bible has also never been a secret, It all seems to have blown up because he made a donation to a political party and it seems someone didn't like that.

He doesn't force his views onto his workforce, they don't discriminate who they hire, yet other people can't seem to make the distinction between a mans personal beliefs and the company he works for.
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He doesn't force his views onto his workforce, they don't discriminate who they hire, yet other people can't seem to make the distinction between a mans personal beliefs and the company he works for.
Except that he owns the company. Profits from the company are funnelled into his fundamentalist religious organisations.

Countries enforce their trade embargoes on other regimes every day. Why do you feel people should not be allowed to do the same?
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The 'bloke' did nothing of the sort, its never been a secret that for generations his family has been a huge part of this 'church' and this churches strict interpretation of the bible has also never been a secret, It all seems to have blown up because he made a donation to a political party and it seems someone didn't like that.

He doesn't force his views onto his workforce, they don't discriminate who they hire, yet other people can't seem to make the distinction between a mans personal beliefs and the company he works for.
The whys and wherefores don't really matter now though, do they? Maybe it was the political donation or maybe it was something else that was the catalyst for the current situation. Even if it was just a "someone" who didn't like it, it doesn't take much to snowball. What had previously "never been a secret" clearly was not that prevalent in the public eye until now.

Wherever you come down on the issue, it is clearly not a popular stance he has and, unfortunately, the market can be a fickle place. As our man at the top is now finding out.

It is what it is.
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Except that he owns the company. Profits from the company are funnelled into his fundamentalist religious organisations.

Countries enforce their trade embargoes on other regimes every day. Why do you feel people should not be allowed to do the same?



It's mostly bully-regimes like the US that do that, isn't it?
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Except that he owns the company. Profits from the company are funnelled into his fundamentalist religious organisations.

Countries enforce their trade embargoes on other regimes every day. Why do you feel people should not be allowed to do the same?
his family own the company
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It's mostly bully-regimes like the US that do that, isn't it?
I think you'll find the EU has embargoes on about thirty different countries.
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The question is: what vendor do they choose now?
Of course one that only uses cocoa beans that are produced in conditions where human rights and employment laws are respected, as ethical principles seem to be very important for them.
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his family own the company
His family all have the same views and financially support the same or similar organisations.
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