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Re: Laderach (Läderach)... run by anti-gay and anti-abortion religious fundamentalist

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Swiss never mentioned it was Läderach. And yes, just a tiny bit of chocolate with the Swiss emblem on it.
Small box of pralines was it?

(I know they hand them out to a few, but never seen (or noticed) it happening in my 20 flights with Swiss, so no clue how to get that)
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Old 30.01.2020, 12:06
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Re: Laderach (Läderach)... run by anti-gay and anti-abortion religious fundamentalist

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they should boycott themselves
Perhaps their CEO / owner supports gay rights.

I suggest the alt-righters open a separate thread on boycotting Swiss now.
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Old 30.01.2020, 12:07
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Re: Laderach (Läderach)... run by anti-gay and anti-abortion religious fundamentalist

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Small box of pralines was it?

(I know they hand them out to a few, but never seen (or noticed) it happening in my 20 flights with Swiss, so no clue how to get that)

No? Just a piece of chocolate. The boxes I have had only on long haul business class flights.


Weird, I get those things every week, normally after they have served the drinks.
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Re: Laderach (Läderach)... run by anti-gay and anti-abortion religious fundamentalist

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A bit tricky when their home country still doesn't grant full equality to homosexuals.



It's always easier to see the speck in the neighbor's eye...
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No? Just a piece of chocolate. The boxes I have had only on long haul business class flights.


Weird, I get those things every week, normally after they have served the drinks.
You mean those small pieces of Chocolate that everybody gets when they go around with a big box after the drinks? Those are from Frey and not from Läderach (And yeah, those I always get)

They also only sell chocolate from Lindt and Gysi.

Leaving only the more luxurious gift they hand out to some, all in all it really is a small amount of chocolate of which I think most people who fly did not even know those existed.

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Old 30.01.2020, 12:20
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Re: Laderach (Läderach)... run by anti-gay and anti-abortion religious fundamentalist

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Because everyone who has a strong opinion on certain things is just....virtue signalling?
No. You can have a strong opinion on something, even something trendily liberally snowflakey (sorry if that triggers you), without virtue signalling.

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Don't worry - virtue signalling is just an alt-right buzzword for "doing the right thing".
No. It is used derogatorily by the alt-right when encountering something they don't like. Just as accusing someone of alt-right behaviour is used by people such as yourself when you encounter an opinion you don't like.

I've seen some of your other threads, so I know you're not all bad.

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Whatever your opinion of him, Chuff has won this thread.
Again, not really. All he's done is reveal unpleasant aspects of his online personality. And he hasn't won the argument, even if he thinks he's had a mike drop moment. Despite the evidence, I'm sure that this smug, gloating self-righteousness he portrays (rather akin to a rabid brexiteer) is a very tiny aspect of who he really is. More well-meaning Guardian reader, I'm sure.

As for me, nothing you snowflakes can accuse me of can possibly be as bad as the truth.

btw - I've still never eaten any Läderach chocolate. So far as I know. So I'm obviously superior to you lot who have eaten it and are now boycotting it.
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No. It is used derogatorily by the alt-right when encountering something they don't like. Just as accusing someone of alt-right behaviour is used by people such as yourself when you encounter an opinion you don't like.
Religious fundamentalism and the defence thereof is pretty alt-right. Whilst the defenders on here are for the most part not fully alt-right, I don't mind tweaking their tails when they espouse such views.

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I've seen some of your other threads, so I know you're not all bad.
How dare you.

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Again, not really. All he's done is reveal unpleasant aspects of his online personality. And he hasn't won the argument, even if he thinks he's had a mike drop moment. Despite the evidence, I'm sure that this smug, gloating self-righteousness he portrays (rather akin to a rabid brexiteer) is a very tiny aspect of who he really is. More well-meaning Guardian reader, I'm sure.

As for me, nothing you snowflakes can accuse me of can possibly be as bad as the truth.
Whatever personality traits he has revealed (none as far as I can tell that haven't been revealed a hundred times over previously), he is certainly on the winning side of this thread's argument, as one of Switzerland's best known companies has also boycotted Läderach. Other may well follow.

I would wager that Chuff would rather burn the Graun than read it, incidentally, so you may have picked his political affiliation a bit wrong.

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No. You can have a strong opinion on something, even something trendily liberally snowflakey (sorry if that triggers you), without virtue signalling.
Not really - if you have a strong opinion on it and don't act on it, you are a hypocrite. If you do act on it, you want to label someone a virtue signaler. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

Good way to stop people thinking for themselves though, when holding an strong opinion only leads to derision from both sides of the spectrum.
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Old 30.01.2020, 12:28
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Re: Laderach (Läderach)... run by anti-gay and anti-abortion religious fundamentalist

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No. You can have a strong opinion on something, even something trendily liberally snowflakey (sorry if that triggers you), without virtue signalling.
It doesn't "trigger" me. It amuses me.

Anyhow, I take it you mean in general....gay rights (or women rights) are not really trendily liberally snowflakey in my opinion. It's an old....issue that society needs to come to acceptable solutions/terms somehow. I find the whole episode rather sad.
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Old 30.01.2020, 12:36
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Re: Laderach (Läderach)... run by anti-gay and anti-abortion religious fundamentalist

there is no winning side
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Re: Laderach (Läderach)... run by anti-gay and anti-abortion religious fundamentalist

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Despite the evidence, I'm sure that this smug, gloating self-righteousness he portrays (rather akin to a rabid brexiteer) is a very tiny aspect of who he really is. More well-meaning Guardian reader, I'm sure.

Chuff? Guardian reader?


I'm sure he's NOT.
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Old 30.01.2020, 12:53
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Re: Laderach (Läderach)... run by anti-gay and anti-abortion religious fundamentalist

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Are they going to stop flying to/from countries which practice discrimination against homosexuality?
That would require a certain degree of sincerity rather than the knee-jerk reaction to placate the crazies. It's an easy move that doesn't harm Swiss and has minimal financial implications for Läderach.

Weird how people think this is a "win". I thought the objective is to get Mr Läderach to change his views?! I don't see any sign of that happening!
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Old 30.01.2020, 13:03
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Re: Laderach (Läderach)... run by anti-gay and anti-abortion religious fundamentalist

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It's an eye-opener to see what people are revealing about themselves in this thread, though...
Not everything is as you choose to interpret it.

Personally, I have always been pro-choice (even before Roe) and always a supporter of gay marriage rather than the registered partnership cop-out.

But I have also always been against boycotting companies just because you don't like the political views of some of the management.

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Old 30.01.2020, 13:05
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Re: Laderach (Läderach)... run by anti-gay and anti-abortion religious fundamentalist

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A bit tricky when their home country still doesn't grant full equality to homosexuals.
In what sense don't they have full equality?

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Old 30.01.2020, 13:12
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Not everything is as you choose to interpret it.

Personally, I have always been pro-choice (even before Roe) and always a supporter of gay marriage rather than the registered partnership cop-out.

But I have also always been against boycotting companies just because you don't like the political views of some of the management.

Tom
To be fair, I didn't say anything about interpretation. I'm just talking about the in-your-face stuff.
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In what sense don't they have full equality?

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Can't get married for a start.
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Old 30.01.2020, 13:29
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Re: Laderach (Läderach)... run by anti-gay and anti-abortion religious fundamentalist

Can we turn this into a thread about female homosexuals choosing to get an abortion as they can't get married, and don't want their child raised out of wedlock?

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Old 30.01.2020, 13:31
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Re: Laderach (Läderach)... run by anti-gay and anti-abortion religious fundamentalist

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Can't get married for a start.
That is true in most countries, things take time, it only started a few years ago to be allowed at all.

It's all the fault of religion, best that we outlaw all religion!

Anyway, there are hetero couples who complain that they can't have civil partnerships, so in fact they don't have the same rights either!

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Old 30.01.2020, 13:39
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It doesn't "trigger" me. It amuses me.
Good. It was intended to.

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Chuff? Guardian reader?


I'm sure he's NOT.
Yeah, but which is it you're doubtful of? Being able to read, or being a Guardian reader?

Apropos not much, when I was a member of CND back in the early 1980s, I had a badge saying "Well meaning Guardian readers against the bomb".
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Again, not really. All he's done is reveal unpleasant aspects of his online personality. And he hasn't won the argument, even if he thinks he's had a mike drop moment. Despite the evidence, I'm sure that this smug, gloating self-righteousness he portrays (rather akin to a rabid brexiteer) is a very tiny aspect of who he really is. More well-meaning Guardian reader, I'm sure.
My online persona is actually pretty damn similar to my real-life one... the main difference is that in real-life (unlike on this forum where I knowingly choose to participate) I do not voluntarily surround myself with people whose intellect and opinions I have nothing but contempt for. Here on this forum it is pretty much impossible to avoid (even using the ignore feature) reading the sometimes frightening thoughts of a vocal portion of the membership who I can only assume possess various degrees of social ineptitude, sociopathy, narcissism, unintelligence, ignorance, or even sometimes a mixture of all of the above. There is such a staggering amount of utter guff written on these forums when it comes to any political, sensitive or controversial topic that not calling it out when I see it is simply not an option and I expect nothing less in return.

There are of course tons of nice and sensible people on this forum whose opinions I respect (even if I don't agree with them on everything), they just overall do not seem to have the levels of time and persistence as the 'others' to engage in posting online, so don't get to make their voices heard as much as the You's, FMF's, BB2's, omtstats, St2Lemans, MC's, gaburkos etc etc.

As for being definitively labelled a 'Guardian reader'...

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I would wager that Chuff would rather burn the Graun than read it, incidentally, so you may have picked his political affiliation a bit wrong.
I assure you that I am as neutral in political views as can be... I read right-wing trash like The Daily Mail, left-wing publications like The Guardian, and then all of the shades of grey inbetween. I don't believe in veering far towards left or right because it's an imbalanced stance and completely illogical. Some things require a liberal stance and some things a conservative one.

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Can we turn this into a thread about female homosexuals choosing to get an abortion as they can't get married, and don't want their child raised out of wedlock?

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That is true in most countries, things take time, it only started a few years ago to be allowed at all.

It's all the fault of religion, best that we outlaw all religion!

Anyway, there are hetero couples who complain that they can't have civil partnerships, so in fact they don't have the same rights either!

Tom
You've only got yourself to blame here, you did ask!

There isn't yet (although proposed) equality for adoption either.
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