Both :-) No one young, educated and modern would only support before-birth abortion because it is highly illogical and therefore hypocritical.

I am a proud adoptive parent so is that enough of support?

I'm confused. People are hypocritical if they are pro choice or not pro choice? And all abortion is "before birth". What other abortion is there?

Just a tiny little bit higher than my testosterone level...

I'm trying to keep my humour up though, thanks for asking.

You sure have balls!

Tom

Well, you ARE past retirement age...

Tom

I was being flippant. I know what activism entails.

Make your mind up.

You wrote earlier that this view was "old school".

So why do you think LGBTQ people feel the need to organise? At one time people got sent to jail and worse for their sexual orientation. In some parts of the world it can be a death sentence. Then there is gay bashing and discrimination and persecution

For the majority of LGBTQ people, the activism comes from wanting to go about their lives in they way that everybody else does. Falling in love with whoever fits their particular orientation.

Anything that normalises negative treatment of anybody because of the way they are is not acceptable. As such, people in a prominent position who do such should have their views challenged

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And before DB gets his knickers in a twist - no, I am not an expat

Indeed. In CH anyway. Props to yacek for being an adoptive parent.

But you‘re hovering over dreamland if you think it‘s only the old and uneducated who don‘t support poor families.

I'd wish in the first place that the proper parents support their offsprings long enough until at least they leave the nest. Major if not the main child poverty cause in western societies, CH included, is single parenthood.
But I also pay huge taxes (if one divides my income per how many kids it leaves) that go largely to support the nanny state including "life-style" choices of others...

I'm not sure what you're getting at here, but being a single parent is not always a "life-style choice".

How many people do you employ, and how should we best make sure they all lose their jobs for having a fossil for a boss?

I just want to make sure we hit the right targets here...

Oh boy. Are you trolling or high? Amongst other things you need to revisit what the phrase "lifestyle choice" means. Along with "living wage" and "affordable housing."

A friend of mine is now a single parent to three kids under 11. Her husband recently died after a barbaric illness. I know for a fact that she and her kids would, in a heartbeat, choose to have Daddy back. Another friend is a single parent because, well, let's just say it proved to be the safest "choice" for her and her kids.

I'm surprised nobody brought up Hitler yet
(Godwin's law)

He's busy stirring the chocolate pot

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/p...nbow-5qrqhxqsk


The rainbow flag was waved proudly by the lead singer at the BBC's Last night of the proms tonight, but no advertising from Läderach, funny that!

Many single parent families in my parents’ generation. Created by WW2. Lots of dads who never made it home. I had no idea being conscripted was a lifestyle choice.

Remind me to sing Rule Britannia on my next visit

At least she got chosen because of her talent.. .