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Sounds about right. The way I would have put it is "Evangelicals are much more likely to be a little TOO vocal". Semantics.



I "apologize" Tony's synecdoque, attempting to colloquialize the rather long "artificial insemination" for just "insemination". I don't intent to grand-stand, but as this is a bit of a touchy subject I'd steer clear of ad personam jokes. I understand it's a joke, but it can easily derail a perfectly civilized discussion.
It wasn't a joke. At least not my me. He used the incorrect phrase which gave the meaning a completely different one as to what he intended.


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That particular chocolate is too good and the company has been run well, to use it as a lever. There are more efficient ways to improve human rights.
The were apparently using black market labour from abroad, on the pretext of training, on building facilities at the Läderach factory.
These people thought they were going for training in chocolate production but instead found themselves working on a construction site.

This may be considered "running a company well" in your opinion - if you throw morals out of the window, but others may disagree.
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Old 03.02.2020, 14:57
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I don't think so, but please do point out what I'm missing. I'm completely open to recognizing if I'm wrong.

What I understood from your post was that you stand against abortion, and against lesbian couples receiving insemination. Then you said that you're happy Mr. Läderach is doing what he's doing, not because you agree with him, but because it helps to have a balanced debate.

How did I misinterpret you?
You said I was trying to have "my cake and eat it", and "white wash my beliefs". I was very open on my views, and they are not as extreme as that of Mr Läderach. I am glad for people like him to balance out the debate, the logic being you end up somewhere in the middle. You've clarified what you meant now, but that isn't how it came across in what you originally wrote.

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I will defend Tony's right to his opinion, no matter what the opinion is, don't get me wrong. But I like to call things by their name, and in this particular case he stated in no unclear terms that he IS against abortion and, and he IS against gay couples receiving artificial insemination.
To clarify, yes I am morally against abortions, not all abortions though for example where the life of the mother could be at risk, or following a rape.
I am against all forms of same-sex parenting, adoption, IVF, ARTIFICIAL insemination, Surrogacy, miss anything?!
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Old 03.02.2020, 14:59
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You said I was trying to have "my cake and eat it", and "white wash my beliefs". I was very open on my views, and they are not as extreme as that of Mr Läderach. I am glad for people like him to balance out the debate, the logic being you end up somewhere in the middle. You've clarified what you meant now, but that isn't how it came across in what you originally wrote.



To clarify, yes I am morally against abortions, not all abortions though for example where the life of the mother could be at risk, or following a rape.
I am against all forms of same-sex parenting, adoption, IVF, ARTIFICIAL insemination, Surrogacy, miss anything?!
Sex?
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Old 03.02.2020, 15:02
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To clarify, yes I am morally against abortions, not all abortions though for example where the life of the mother could be at risk, or following a rape.
I am against all forms of same-sex parenting, adoption, IVF, ARTIFICIAL insemination, Surrogacy, miss anything?!
So, just to clarify, if you had been born gay (assuming you're not actually gay already) and you desperately wanted children, you'd just except that your beliefs are such that you couldn't have any and be done with it?
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Old 03.02.2020, 15:05
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Single parents are a bad idea that sometimes cannot be avoided.

BTDT

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What is comes down to is sacrifice, which I believe parenthood is predicated upon. As parents you sacrifice yourselves for your children. Single parents often even more so and they SHOULD be applauded for it, yet the research is unequivocal, children from single parent families are less likely to do as well as children from families where a mother and father are present. I don't believe the variety of reasons that parents become single, which is often unavoidable, is in any way comparable to the arguments for homosexual parenting.

The importance of the role of both a mother and a father in a child's upbringing cannot be overstated. This is something that I was never fully aware of until I had children of my own. Sometimes a child needs their mother, and sometimes they need their father, and sometimes they need both. This human instinct is not something that is new, but that has been developed through tens of thousands of years of evolution and is hardwired into our very make up.

Now in the interests of gay rights, there are those that wish to normalize same sex parents, which by the very fact they are not able to have children naturally of their own, is not normal. There is no historical precedent, nor biological precedent. There is little research into the long terms effects of same sex parents. In spite of this we have seen many countries rush to adopt legislation allowing for same sex parents. The result is a situation whereby instead of parents sacrificing themselves for the rights of their children, we see children being sacrificed for the rights of their parents.
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Old 03.02.2020, 15:09
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So, just to clarify, if you had been born gay (assuming you're not actually gay already) and you desperately wanted children, you'd just except that your beliefs are such that you couldn't have any and be done with it?
It seems a bit creepy to want to have children if you're not interested in having sex with a woman to create one.
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Old 03.02.2020, 15:14
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So, just to clarify, if you had been born gay (assuming you're not actually gay already) and you desperately wanted children, you'd just except that your beliefs are such that you couldn't have any and be done with it?
It’s hard to answer such a hypothetical question. I guess I would realise that homosexuality and parenthood are biologically incompatible and be satisfied with the double income no kids lifestyle, absence of a nagging wife and unbelievable amount of sex!
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It seems a bit creepy to want to have children if you're not interested in having sex with a woman to create one.
I always thought women could be gay too?
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It seems a bit creepy to want to have children if you're not interested in having sex with a woman to create one.
You’ll need to explain that one.

I do hope you’re not conflating homosexuality and paedophilia.
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I believe the most important thing for a child is a loving, secure home. Whether that home is the "traditional " version (increasingly statistically unlikely) or single parent, two mums, two dads, uncles and aunts, grandparents, parent and grandparent...

I guess adoption is unnatural too?

I really don't understand the knicker knotting about same sex couples having kids. As for being anti-IVF... why? Some people need help in order to conceive. Where's the problem with that? Or the, I assume, "immorality"?
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I do hope you’re not conflating homosexuality and paedophilia.
I honestly don't know, just seems unnatural and never sat right with me.
Unpopular opinion, I know.
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So, just to clarify, if you had been born gay (assuming you're not actually gay already) and you desperately wanted children, you'd just except that your beliefs are such that you couldn't have any and be done with it?
Unless you buy a child like the Elton John and whathisname did! Sick. Money talks
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I honestly don't know, just seems unnatural and never sat right with me.
Unpopular opinion, I know.
Unpopular? Hopefully.

Unfounded? Completely.

I do applaud your direct honesty though, it would be nice if everyone took a leaf out of your book on here.
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It seems a bit creepy to want to have children if you're not interested in having sex with a woman to create one.


Sex and kids are completly different and if you believe otherwise you're an ignoramus
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So, just to clarify, if you had been born gay (assuming you're not actually gay already) and you desperately wanted children, you'd just except that your beliefs are such that you couldn't have any and be done with it?
No, just have sex with someone of the correct sex and be done with it.

Simple.

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What on earth is the "correct" sex?
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I always thought women could be gay too?
But they aren't going to get each other pregnant.

I don't see why a male gay couple can't just work something out with a female gay couple, thus resolving the problem to everyone's satisfaction.

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No, just have sex with someone of the correct sex and be done with it.

Simple.

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Sheltered life or what?
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The one needed for you to procreate.

If you are male, then female, and vice versa.

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So, just to clarify, if you had been born gay (assuming you're not actually gay already) and you desperately wanted children, you'd just except that your beliefs are such that you couldn't have any and be done with it?
Are you crazy. Nobody is born gay! What a dumb statement
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