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Laderach (Läderach)... run by anti-gay and anti-abortion religious fundamentalists

Laderach (Läderach), that Swiss chocolate that everyone goes crazy about. Delicious (if overpriced), right? Well, what may sour the taste somewhat is that according to current and past news reports the family who runs it are religious fundamantalists who actively campaign against homosexuality and the right to have an abortion... even for rape victims! The chief is ürg Läderach, owner and chairman of the board of Läderach AG, and he is campaigning against the "moral decline" of society today in stark contrast to progressive and tolerant values.

The son Johannes Läderach apparently even supported a far-right SVP campaigner, Daniel Regli, when he said in 2017 that:

"...promiscuous homosexuals between the ages of 30 and 40 would commit suicide because "the anal muscle no longer delivers what it promises."

Story here in original German language https://www.tagesanzeiger.ch/zuerich...story/15768662

Story here translated to English https://newsfounded.com/switzerlande...-5GupxnyPC066w

I will personally never again buy Läderach chocolate and I really think more awareness of this family's ideals should be raised. Share with your friends, post it on social media, let them know by hitting their business that this kind of backwards and prejudiced idealism has no place in 2019 and beyond.

Other good options that are not known (to my knowledge, but please correct me if I am wrong) to be associated to far right religious fundamentalist views...
  1. Max Chocolatier https://maxchocolatier.com/de-CH
  2. Sprüngli https://www.spruengli.ch/en/?gclid=C...IaAnmvEALw_wcB
  3. Du Rhône Chocolatier https://www.du-rhone.ch/
  4. Auer Chocolatier https://chocolat-auer.ch/boutique/?S...2982f56964cdc2

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I've seen this story shared by a lot of my Swiss friends on FB, most declaring, like you, that they won't buy that chocolate again.
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I've seen this story shared by a lot of my Swiss friends on FB, most declaring, like you, that they won't buy that chocolate again.
The prices are a total piss-take. I don't (and wouldn't) buy in there anyway.

What a bunch of dinosaurs.
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Old 13.09.2019, 11:37
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Ignorance is bliss, sometimes. Damn...I loved Läderach, until 2min. ago. Reminds me of Barilla, which has been banned from my household since I read that signore Barilla is also a Neanderthal homophobic pos.
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How interesting, the tags are
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Looking forward to the story about Vollenweider's children throwing stones at the cats...
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I've seen this story shared by a lot of my Swiss friends on FB, most declaring, like you, that they won't buy that chocolate again.
Yeah I saw it on FB too. I don't buy it much as I don't think it's really much nicer than other established brands, especially taking into account the vastly inflated price, but there are definitely many alternatives so I will vote with my wallet!

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Quite backward ideas but where do you draw the line for such moral dilemmas?

Anyone on the forum who decided not buy Apple products because of Foxconn labor conditions or not to buy a Volkswagen product because of the environmental scam?
I am sure many people did that. In the end it's a personal choice and for me it is one that is easy to make simply because it's so easy to do. There are tons of Swiss chocolate options, why buy from one whose family are religious fundamentalists with anti-progressive, backwards ideals on topics that matter to many of us?

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Reason: Anyone else see the irony of a member posting about and criticizing intolerance taking this approach to another poster?
Calling someone an idiot for making a purposefully inflammatory post that trivializes far-right prejudice and criticizing the heads of a company for being anti-gay and anti-abortion, are not the same thing. Even a god-awful moderator with low levels of common sense like you must understand that, 22y.

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Quite backward ideas but where do you draw the line for such moral dilemmas?

Anyone on the forum who decided not buy Apple products because of Foxconn labor conditions or not to buy a Volkswagen product because of the environmental scam?
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Quite backward ideas but where do you draw the line for such moral dilemmas?

Anyone on the forum who decided not buy Apple products because of Foxconn labor conditions or not to buy a Volkswagen product because of the environmental scam?

when it comes to chocolate there's no dilemma at all, while Belgian chocolate is just lightyears ahead of Swiss milk pastilles. as well as bear.
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Quite backward ideas but where do you draw the line for such moral dilemmas?

Anyone on the forum who decided not buy Apple products because of Foxconn labor conditions or not to buy a Volkswagen product because of the environmental scam?
I decided to boycott Chinese goods after seeing what they do with the Chinese Muslims in the concentration camps of Xinjiang. You should also boycott all Chinese produced goods
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the family who runs it are religious fundamantalists who actively campaign against homosexuality and the right to have an abortion... even for rape victims! The chief is ürg Läderach, owner and chairman of the board of Läderach AG, and he is campaigning against the "moral decline" of society today in stark contrast to progressive and tolerant values.

The son Johannes Läderach apparently even supported a far-right SVP campaigner, Daniel Regli, when he said in 2017 that:
When chocolate goes to your head....
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So you people are fighting (people advocating) discrimination by discriminating. That seems rather self-contradictory.

Is there such a thing as just discrimination?
And if so, what's the definiton, what does it look like? When is discrimination justified?
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So you people are fighting (people advocating) discrimination by discriminating. That seems rather self-contradictory.

Is there such a thing as just discrimination?
And if so, what's the definiton, what does it look like? When is discrimination justified?
Indeed. When confronted with such things as intolerance, one should show zero tolerance.
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So you people are fighting (people advocating) discrimination by discriminating. That seems rather self-contradictory.

Is there such a thing as just discrimination?
And if so, what's the definiton, what does it look like? When is discrimination justified?
I see it like this:

A company is offering a service/product.

Some consumers do no like some aspect of that service/product.

They chose not to buy that product and buy another from another company instead. It's their choice, and their choice alone.

The company can decide to adapt, change its ways or lose customers. It's their choice.

This happens all the time, every minute of every day with consumers of products.

It's what happens in a free market.
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I see it like this:

A company is offering a service/product.

Some consumers do no like some aspect of that service/product.

They chose not to buy that product and buy another from another company instead. It's their choice, and their choice alone.

The company can decide to adapt, change its ways or lose customers. It's their choice.

This happens all the time, every minute of every day with consumers of products.

It's what happens in a free market.
Nice to see all the Tories outing themselves in this thread.

Bollocks to the workers, eh? Let them eat schabziger...
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Nice to see all the Tories outing themselves in this thread.

Bollocks to the workers, eh? Let them eat schabziger...
Er no, simple micro-economics. I'm not stating a view, merely a principle.
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Nice to see all the Tories outing themselves in this thread.

Bollocks to the workers, eh? Let them eat schabziger...
If people switch to a different brand, that increased demand is likely to create jobs there. This is (more or less) a zero-sum game.
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Läderach will have a few supporters of his "christian" values but most Swiss I know will find him extreme and stupid for placing his company and his employees at risk simply due to his own narcisstic views.
Will they care enough to switch permanently? Does outrage last? It's rather long since extinction rebellion was in the news.
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If people switch to a different brand, that increased demand is likely to create jobs there. This is (more or less) a zero-sum game.

Will they care enough to switch permanently? It's rather long since extinction rebellion was in the news.
Great. I'm sure my friends will be chuffed to bits to hear that.

See, the problem is that a boycott isn't very likely to change this old bigot's opinions, but it might well put a few Glarner folk out of work (as well as people who work in the shops, their suppliers and so on). It would be no skin off Mr L's nose, but the working people of this canton have suffered enough over the last few years without hyperprivileged wankers making a stand to show us all how modern and "with it" they are.
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I see it like this:

A company is offering a service/product.

Some consumers do no like some aspect of that service/product.

They chose not to buy that product and buy another from another company instead. It's their choice, and their choice alone.

The company can decide to adapt, change its ways or lose customers. It's their choice.

This happens all the time, every minute of every day with consumers of products.

It's what happens in a free market.
Amen to that, brother! ;-))
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It's what happens in a free market.
I fully agree Tom (though I wouldn't go as far as saying there is such a thing as a fully free market), it's one's individual choice. Just like it's Läderach's choice to advocate whatever he advocates, and accept the consequences.

It's just that there's no need for moral posturing if the rational argument is sound. Or put the other way round: if there is a need for moral posturing, that may be because the actual argument isn't all that strong, or to keep people from raising doubts ("How dare you!!!").
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