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Swiss Gondola drops to earth

It was just 5 years old.
Rotenfluebahn Mythenregion AG, says it will not reopen the system until it is cleared to do so and the rope is inspected for damage. https://liftblog.com/2019/10/20/cabi...JMKaPgdbjcDo6k
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Re: Swiss Gondala drops to earth

Rope?

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Old 21.10.2019, 12:21
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Re: Swiss Gondola drops to earth

I know the whole history of that gondola as well as its managers. Thank God no one was injured. There were strong gusts of wind going through the area and the gondola should have been shut down but in hindsight, we're always wiser.
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Old 21.10.2019, 12:24
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I know the whole history of that gondola as well as its managers. Thank God no one was injured. There were strong gusts of wind going through the area and the gondola should have been shut down but in hindsight, we're always wiser.
There should be a book of rules regarding operating conditions of the gondola with various weather conditions.

If these rules were not followed then there really needs to be disciplinary action. Hindsight has got nothing to do with it.
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Old 21.10.2019, 12:27
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There should be a book of rules regarding operating conditions of the gondola with various weather conditions.

If these rules were not followed then there really needs to be disciplinary action. Hindsight has got nothing to do with it.
You're quite right although I'm not sure what kind of disciplinary action will be taken.
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Old 21.10.2019, 12:58
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You're quite right although I'm not sure what kind of disciplinary action will be taken.
I hope it was only human error and not a serious design-fault as it's a cool gondola which I've used before and the ski season is coming up!
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Re: Swiss Gondola drops to earth

I’m not sure which intrigued me more, the falling gondola or the existence of a Lift Blog.
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Re: Swiss Gondola drops to earth

This is my biggest fear when riding in one of those telecabines. Just glad it was empty and no-one was hurt. Imagine this happened on the Glacier 3000 one where you have a very big drop!!! Gulp!
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Old 21.10.2019, 13:24
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Re: Swiss Gondola drops to earth

So the cable didn't snap, the car actually detached from it?

I would have thought it was quite firmly attached to it's cable??!
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Old 21.10.2019, 13:30
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This is my biggest fear when riding in one of those telecabines. Just glad it was empty and no-one was hurt. Imagine this happened on the Glacier 3000 one where you have a very big drop!!! Gulp!
I suspect that if it wasn't empty it wouldn't have become detached. It's the weight of the gondola that grips the wire. The more passengers the tighter the grip.
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Old 21.10.2019, 13:45
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I suspect that if it wasn't empty it wouldn't have become detached. It's the weight of the gondola that grips the wire. The more passengers the tighter the grip.
Yep, that's what crossed my mind as well.
Won't do to relax future clients though.

Except it will have a good influence on human behaviour as the over-weight people will be in high demand to share the gondola instead of being snarked about.
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So the cable didn't snap, the car actually detached from it?

I would have thought it was quite firmly attached to it's cable??!
No they have to be removable so the can put them to bed each night,

There was an incident in Flaine about 9 years ago, an old gondola had been safety tested the month before with 25% more weight than allowed for use. What they did not realise is the pylon moved. On the first day of the season the first 4 gondolas fell off, luckily nobody was injured as the lift personal were in the 5th gondola. Good tip, don't take the first 4 in the morning
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So the cable didn't snap, the car actually detached from it?

I would have thought it was quite firmly attached to it's cable??!
Ever been on one? They are just "clipped on" to the rope. A spring that looks like a car suspension at the top of it holds it attached. The machine can clip gondolas on and off depending on weather and wind load.

This isnt exactly experimental technology but has been around for decades. There are clear rules and clearly they either havent been followed or there was some freak weather incident that has never happened before. I would bet my money on the first alternative...
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I know the whole history of that gondola as well as its managers. Thank God no one was injured. There were strong gusts of wind going through the area and the gondola should have been shut down but in hindsight, we're always wiser.
Reportedly they were emtying them right at that time. No new passengers had been allowed on but reportedly it takes about 20 mins until everybody has reached a station where they can leave, and that's when that gondola got off.
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They are just "clipped on" to the rope.
They are NOT clipped to a rope.

The are clipped to a cable.

Not the same thing (except perhaps in German, but here we are speaking English).

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They are NOT clipped to a rope.

Tom
They are. It's called a rope, not a cable.

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Wire rope is several strands of metal wire twisted into a helix forming a composite "rope", in a pattern known as "laid rope". Larger diameter wire rope consists of multiple strands of such laid rope in a pattern known as "cable laid".

In stricter senses, the term "wire rope" refers to a diameter larger than 3/8 inch (9.52 mm), with smaller gauges designated cable or cords.[1] Initially wrought iron wires were used, but today steel is the main material used for wire ropes.

Historically, wire rope evolved from wrought iron chains, which had a record of mechanical failure. While flaws in chain links or solid steel bars can lead to catastrophic failure, flaws in the wires making up a steel cable are less critical as the other wires easily take up the load. While friction between the individual wires and strands causes wear over the life of the rope, it also helps to compensate for minor failures in the short run.

Wire ropes were developed starting with mining hoist applications in the 1830s. Wire ropes are used dynamically for lifting and hoisting in cranes and elevators, and for transmission of mechanical power. Wire rope is also used to transmit force in mechanisms, such as a Bowden cable or the control surfaces of an airplane connected to levers and pedals in the cockpit. Only aircraft cables have WSC (wire strand core). Also, aircraft cables are available in smaller diameters than wire rope. For example, aircraft cables are available in 3/64 in. diameter while most wire ropes begin at a 1/4 in. diameter.[2] Static wire ropes are used to support structures such as suspension bridges or as guy wires to support towers. An aerial tramway relies on wire rope to support and move cargo overhead.
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They are NOT clipped to a rope.

The are clipped to a cable.

Not the same thing (except perhaps in German, but here we are speaking English).

Tom
"Rope" is the term used throughout the article.
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Rope?
Yes, a rope. A steel rope.

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They are NOT clipped to a rope.

The are clipped to a cable.

Not the same thing (except perhaps in German, but here we are speaking English).
You're right, they're not the same. A rope is a long twisted or woven thing, that can be made from all sorts of things, including hemp, polypropylene or steel.

A cable is something used to conduct electricity.

Edit: Damn, beaten to it.
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"Rope" is the term used throughout the article.
My dictionary uses the English terms cablecar and ropeway synonymously. Is this some Yank crap?
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My dictionary uses the English terms cablecar and ropeway synonymously. Is this some Yank crap?
Not specifically merkin, many people use the incorrect term, but in industry (e.g. in shipping, where I learnt this stuff) a wire rope is never, ever, called a cable.
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