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Why is the voter turnout so low in Switzerland?

45% is a little bit low as for a European country. What are the reasons for such low participation in politics in the country of direct democracy?
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Re: Why is the voter turnout so low in Switzerland?

https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/democra...land-/44248880

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/...111/spsr.12116

https://www.revue.ch/en/editions/201...other-country/
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Old 22.10.2019, 00:23
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45% is a little bit low as for a European country. What are the reasons for such low participation in politics in the country of direct democracy?
Because it's a direct democracy.
While of course the representatives doing the basic and day to day work matter, each decision can be taken to the people to decide on. Some by law, some by referendum. And those are the decision that really count/are binding.

While elections may mirror a basic idea of the thoughts of the people, we are all aware that talk is cheap, specially before elections. So now that they have their positions let them come up with there propositions - we will check out each one by itself.
And depending on the subject/problem/decision at hand people will "vote with" the green .... the CVP .... anybody, even the SVP only they will not vote with those parties, they will vote for the solution they believe is the right one.

But pssssst, don't tell the parties that, they still brag "we've won" when the outcome is what they pleaded for. That's pure coincidence though.


edit: Still, you got a point. A bit more effort in the elections would probably be appropriate
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Re: Why is the voter turnout so low in Switzerland?

The best point is done on the comments, citizens of a country that are happy with their lives and the stability of the country they live in do not have such a huge incentive to run to the polls every time. Especially when it's so often.

"Things just work and everything is fine" is reason enough for some to not vote all the time.

Can you blame them? On the very important referenda I remember participation was way above average so I don't see any issues, this is blown out of proportions.
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Old 22.10.2019, 01:42
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45% is a little bit low as for a European country. What are the reasons for such low participation in politics in the country of direct democracy?
We’re had more or less the same government since 1959 and it is likely to remain that way for the foreseeable future... add to that the fact that most significant issues are decided by referendum and there is not much motivation to vote...
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45% is a little bit low as for a European country. What are the reasons for such low participation in politics in the country of direct democracy?
Because voting here is so frickin' complicated that people take one look at it and give up
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Re: Why is the voter turnout so low in Switzerland?

Not to mention a quarter of the population, i.e. us foreigners, aren't allowed to vote.
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Old 22.10.2019, 08:52
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Not to mention a quarter of the population, i.e. us foreigners, aren't allowed to vote.
I doubt non-enfranchised residents are included in the voting figures.
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Old 22.10.2019, 09:21
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I doubt non-enfranchised residents are included in the voting figures.
Of course they're not, but voting figures might be better if they were allowed to vote.
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Of course they're not, but voting figures might be better if they were allowed to vote.
Not sure that would be the case, voter analysis shows that likelihood to be a frequent voter is lower if you are not born in CH or if you haven't live for a prolonged time in the same area.
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Old 22.10.2019, 13:00
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Re: Why is the voter turnout so low in Switzerland?

Not sure why the groans to my post..... I have seen it myself.

I as naturalised Swiss made the effort to try and understand the process and who to vote for etc. My Husband, born Swiss with no particular interest in politics, didn't have the motivation to try and understand it all. He voted, but just copied me
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Not sure that would be the case, voter analysis shows that likelihood to be a frequent voter is lower if you are not born in CH or if you haven't live for a prolonged time in the same area.
How did they do a voter analysis when we could never vote?

Did they take the average statistics of our home countries? Sorry but that's BS.

If I could vote here I'd be passionate about each and every referendum as I already am and pissed me off I can't express it. My taxes they like a lot though, they are not complaining when they get that.

If you aren't allowed to vote on things that affect you greatly, you should at least be exempt from part of the side effects or get a tax break. Taxation without representation is just wrong.
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Old 22.10.2019, 13:06
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Re: Why is the voter turnout so low in Switzerland?

I agree, much too complicated.

Voting should be for individual candidates in a first past the post system, rather than this representational system where you really don't know who you are voting for.

I really don't think a candidate from Payerne or Bex has my best interests at heart.
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Re: Why is the voter turnout so low in Switzerland?

Honestly If I ever move or become Swiss Citizen I would vote and participate as often I could. I can just see the development here in Sweden when it comes to Politics. People just don't care but like to complain when the politicians get their way.

People here are unfortunately not interested at all in changes more than complain in few rows on Facebook.
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Old 22.10.2019, 13:32
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I agree, much too complicated.
I think it is simple, logical and most importantly fair.

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Voting should be for individual candidates in a first past the post system, rather than this representational system where you really don't know who you are voting for.

I really don't think a candidate from Payerne or Bex has my best interests at heart.
Use the power of cumulation. Do not like a candidate? Strike his name and write in the name of your favorite candidate a second time. You are even allowed to write in the names of candidates of a different party.
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How did they do a voter analysis when we could never vote?
Foreigner (permit C, at least 5 years residency in canton) are allowed to vote in Neuchatel. This applies only to cantons and communes maters. Interestingly the two seats in the council of states are considered canton mater, whereas the national council is considered federal mater. Thus we can directly compare the participation rate:

NE council of states: 35.71% (48 896 out of 136 916 Voters)
NE national council: 40.17% (45 275 out of 112 704 Voters)

Around 3600 non Swiss used the opportunity to vote for the council of state representatives, but still the overall participation rate dropped.
https://www.ne.ch/autorites/CHAN/CHA...eil_Etats.aspx
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Re: Why is the voter turnout so low in Switzerland?

That makes 0 sense...neuchatel is a tiny kanton and majority French foreigners.

How can that be used to extrapolate how 25% of foreigners from 27 EU countries would vote across the country? And even so, it was just municipal matters there as well and not the important referenda like immigration, marriage penalty etc
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25% of foreigners from 27 EU countries
Hate to tell you this, but foreigners here are not all EU (thank god)

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Old 22.10.2019, 14:22
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Do not like a candidate? Strike his name and write in the name of your favorite candidate a second time. You are even allowed to write in the names of candidates of a different party.
Did that the other day. (I struck off a name on the LEGA ticket and added a GREEN!)

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And even so, it was just municipal matters there as well and not the important referenda like immigration, marriage penalty etc
The council of states not important?
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