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Swiss yacht sinks after hitting buoy near Cowes. U.K.

All on board rescued by the RNLI and coastguard.




I was thinking that if this was a U.K. boat on a Swiss lake, the sailors would get a bill for the rescue, a bill for possible buoy damage and yet another bill from the Police for undue care and attention whilst at the helm!

No one was hurt.
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All on board rescued by the RNLI and coastguard.




I was thinking that if this was a U.K. boat on a Swiss lake, the sailors would get a bill for the rescue, a bill for possible buoy damage and yet another bill from the Police for undue care and attention whilst at the helm!

No one was hurt.
In Switzerland by the time they got there it would have been at the bottom of the lake
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Old 14.11.2019, 12:40
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Re: Swiss yacht sinks after hitting buoy near Cowes. U.K.

For a sailor that picture is like watching a snuff movie.
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Re: Swiss yacht sinks after hitting buoy near Cowes. U.K.

No, I don't think so. Snuff movies are used by people who want to get turned on by watching those being filmed die. The sailors I know, on the other hand, would not derive any pleasure at all from watching another's yacht go down.
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Old 14.11.2019, 20:46
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No, I don't think so. Snuff movies are used by people who want to get turned on by watching those being filmed die. The sailors I know, on the other hand, would not derive any pleasure at all from watching another's yacht go down.
That is what I was clumsily trying to say
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Re: Swiss yacht sinks after hitting buoy near Cowes. U.K.

It wasn't a Swiss yacht (we can see the Red Ensign in the picture) but it was crewed by 3 Swiss.


The rudder got ripped off by the buoy's anchor chain.
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It wasn't a Swiss yacht (we can see the Red Ensign in the picture) but it was crewed by 3 Swiss.
Even worse they're sailing under a flag of convenience!



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The rudder got ripped off by the buoy's anchor chain.
Buoys are marked on charts. Buoys are attached to the ocean floor with chains.

The water around the British Isles is tidal. The position of the chain moves in relation to the position of the buoy but one needs to give buoys a wide berth because of this anyway.
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Even worse they're sailing under a flag of convenience!
Eh? The flag indicates where the boat is registered. I've never sailed with a Swiss flag - always from the country where the vessel is registered. The only "convenience" was that I didn't have to drag an effing big boat out of Switzerland to the Med.

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Buoys are marked on charts. Buoys are attached to the ocean floor with chains.

The water around the British Isles is tidal. The position of the chain moves in relation to the position of the buoy but one needs to give buoys a wide berth because of this anyway.
It's not unusual to find badly maintained buoys and ones which have shifted if they're not fully anchored to the sea-bed, plus previous (badly executed) moorings can damage them.

As to the costs, it comes down to whatever marine insurance they (should) have, same as it would if they sank a vessel in a Swiss lake.
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Eh? The flag indicates where the boat is registered. I've never sailed with a Swiss flag - always from the country where the vessel is registered. The only "convenience" was that I didn't have to drag an effing big boat out of Switzerland to the Med.
Really? Wow I never knew that.

It was supposed to be funny but I suppose my attempts at jokes are wasted on you.

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It's not unusual to find badly maintained buoys and ones which have shifted if they're not fully anchored to the sea-bed, plus previous (badly executed) moorings can damage them.
Or it could just be that the Swiss yachtsmen were more used to lake sailing than coastal waters. Who knows?
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Really? Wow I never knew that.

It was supposed to be funny but I suppose my attempts at jokes are wasted on you.
You're right, we should be used to you making an idiotic comment then trying to wheedle out of it by protesting it was "a joke".

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Or it could just be that the Swiss yachtsmen were more used to lake sailing than coastal waters. Who knows?
Seeing as you don't know, perhaps you could be the bigger man and give them the benefit of the doubt instead of your pithy armchair judgement?
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Re: Swiss yacht sinks after hitting buoy near Cowes. U.K.

Knowing Solent Water quite well, it could well be that this yacht‘s bow is aground. ..
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Old 15.11.2019, 13:59
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Re: Swiss yacht sinks after hitting buoy near Cowes. U.K.

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I've never sailed before in my life and know nothing about boats, buoys, shipping lanes, storm jibs and dead reckoning so you're right, it couldn't have been a joke.
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Re: Swiss yacht sinks after hitting buoy near Cowes. U.K.

Nope, it totally sunk!
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Re: Swiss yacht sinks after hitting buoy near Cowes. U.K.

I'd say a lack of tidal awareness played at least some role. It was spring tides at the time of the incident. The buoy was apparently a navigation mark to enter the harbour at Cowes so not a mooring buoy and the area is notoriously tidal. Does seem a bit like someone underestimated how much leeway 5 knots of tide with the wind might create!

I saw Toms Humour by the way. Boots are often registered in completely different places to where the crew or skipper are from. Just because the boat was not registered in Switzerland it was a swiss crewed boat. I see the EF still likes to argue semantics after all these years!

The irony of this for me is that those of us who grew up sailing on coastal waters are not allowed to sail here in Switzerland despite having more experience in a much wider range of conditions.
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The irony of this for me is that those of us who grew up sailing on coastal waters are not allowed to sail here in Switzerland despite having more experience in a much wider range of conditions.
And why is that?
Or what reasons are given for not allowing it?
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I saw Toms Humour by the way. Boots are often registered in completely different places to where the crew or skipper are from. Just because the boat was not registered in Switzerland it was a swiss crewed boat. I see the EF still likes to argue semantics after all these years!
To be fair to Sandgrounder though - she's sailed around to the med (or hinted at it).

Anyone who has crossed the Bay of Biscay in a small boat deserves a bit of respect.
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To be fair to Sandgrounder though - she's sailed around to the med (or hinted at it).

Anyone who has crossed the Bay of Biscay in a small boat deserves a bit of respect.
All right, princess. Calm down...
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Re: Swiss yacht sinks after hitting buoy near Cowes. U.K.

Lots of people have sunk after hitting boys
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No seriously, I buoy down to your superior knowledge.
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No seriously, I buoy down to your superior knowledge.



I guess you must spend a lot of time "buoying" then
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