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aSwissInTheUS 26.11.2019 16:57

Primary school bans certain Christmas Carols
 
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The primary school Mattschulhaus in Wil SG banned "Go Tell It on the Mountain", "Fröhliche Weihnacht überall", and "S grööschte Gschänk" from its advent festive and performances.

https://www.tagesanzeiger.ch/schweiz...story/11418529

https://www.20min.ch/schweiz/news/st...feier-30338393

It is said that in the previous two years two parents have raised objections during the performances (the news articles notes that at least in the previous year the objecting parent was not of the Islam faith. Religious affiliation of the other parent is not stated).

Although, the articles makes a strong connection between the Christian tradition and objection by Islamist and Secularist it is actually not known why those three particular songs were banned. From the list of approved songs it is only known that at least "Stille Nacht (Silent Night)" is on it.

NotAllThere 26.11.2019 17:47

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Silent night doesn't contain the word Jesus which, outside of Hollywood films as an expletive, is offensive?

Jim2007 26.11.2019 18:15

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As long as they did not ban the Fairytale Of New York they'll be grand. I nearly manager to get my daughter's school to sing it one year, my little proposal was going well until my daughter was asked to explain what a faggot was, it seems the teacher's dictionary did not make sense - 'a bundle of sticks bound together as fuel'.... it was down hill after that...


Cherub 26.11.2019 18:30

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Where I come from a faggot is an old bag who spreads tittle tattle and generally rubs people up the wrong way :D

Guest 26.11.2019 19:20

Re: Primary school bans certain Christmas Carols
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by aSwissInTheUS (Post 3124249)
Baby, it's cold outside. Listen to the forum roar. Our mods will start to worry

The primary school Mattschulhaus in Wil SG banned "Go Tell It on the Mountain", "Fröhliche Weihnacht überall", and "S grööschte Gschänk" from its advent festive and performances.

https://www.tagesanzeiger.ch/schweiz...story/11418529

https://www.20min.ch/schweiz/news/st...feier-30338393

It is said that in the previous two years two parents have raised objections during the performances (the news articles notes that at least in the previous year the objecting parent was not of the Islam faith. Religious affiliation of the other parent is not stated).

Although, the articles makes a strong connection between the Christian tradition and objection by Islamist and Secularist it is actually not known why those three particular songs were banned. From the list of approved songs it is only known that at least "Stille Nacht (Silent Night)" is on it.

Seems reasonable. It's a bit unfair to expect non-Christian kids to sing songs about Jesus.

Sorry. Did I just kill the thread? :msnblush:

Tom1234 26.11.2019 19:25

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Couldn't they leave the Jesus carols to the end and just send home the kids who didn't want to sing them?

st2lemans 26.11.2019 19:32

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Seems reasonable. It's a bit unfair to expect non-Christian kids to sing songs about Jesus.
I'm not christian, my kids neither, yet none of us have a problem with it. :rolleyes:

Tom

Guest 26.11.2019 19:36

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Originally Posted by st2lemans (Post 3124311)
I'm not christian, my kids neither, yet none of us have a problem with it. :rolleyes:

Tom

Bully for you.

Guest 26.11.2019 19:44

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Originally Posted by Tom1234 (Post 3124308)
Couldn't they leave the Jesus carols to the end and just send home the kids who didn't want to sing them?

Easier just to choose a few secular songs from the several thousand million that are available at this time of year.

If people want to sing about Jesus, they can do it at church, at home, in the street, at the top of a mountain, wherever.

I'm not seeing a problem here.

aSwissInTheUS 26.11.2019 19:47

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But what if the song is about Jesus the gardener decorating the lawn for the holiday season?

Guest 26.11.2019 19:49

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Originally Posted by aSwissInTheUS (Post 3124318)
But what if the song is about Jesus the gardener decorating the lawn for the holiday season?

Wasn't Jesus the gardener part of the Easter story? :confused::D

curley 26.11.2019 19:56

Re: Primary school bans certain Christmas Carols
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by aSwissInTheUS (Post 3124249)
Baby, it's cold outside. Listen to the forum roar. Our mods will start to worry

The primary school Mattschulhaus in Wil SG banned "Go Tell It on the Mountain", "Fröhliche Weihnacht überall", and "S grööschte Gschänk" from its advent festive and performances.

https://www.tagesanzeiger.ch/schweiz...story/11418529

https://www.20min.ch/schweiz/news/st...feier-30338393

It is said that in the previous two years two parents have raised objections during the performances (the news articles notes that at least in the previous year the objecting parent was not of the Islam faith. Religious affiliation of the other parent is not stated).

Although, the articles makes a strong connection between the Christian tradition and objection by Islamist and Secularist it is actually not known why those three particular songs were banned. From the list of approved songs it is only known that at least "Stille Nacht (Silent Night)" is on it.

What BS! And as it's not a private school, I'm not even sure banning such things is legal.

<<«Auch weitere Beiträge für die Weihnachtsfeier müssen so gestaltet sein, dass sich alle Kulturen angesprochen fühlen können.»>> (Also further contributions to the Christmas festivities must be designed in a manner that other cultures can feel addressed)
That is pc taken wrongly once again. It's a Christian celebration, nobody else needs to feel addressed. Anyone none Christian who attends such a celebration probably wants to see what it's all about.

The point that is missed here is: There should be no religious celebration in state school here at all!

Any Christmas gathering should be organized by private groups or people, participating is logically one's own choice.


Seriously, I'm just waiting for the day they have a Bach concert somewhere and leave out the notes f-sharp and g-sharp because some cultures don't like these tones. :rolleyes:

doropfiz 26.11.2019 19:59

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From the article in 20 Minutes, linked to by aSwissInTheUS:

Islamische Organisationen haben nichts gegen Weihnachtslieder
Erstaunt reagieren Muslime in der Schweiz. Farhad Afshar, Präsident der Koordination Islamischer Organisationen Schweiz, ermuntert die Schulen, an den christlichen Liedern festzuhalten: «Aus unserer Sicht ist es sehr bedauerlich, wenn in einem christlichen Land keine christlichen Lieder mehr gesungen werden.»


Islamic Organisation have nothing against Chirstmas Songs
Muslims in Switzerland have reacted with surprise. Farhad Afshar, president of the Coordination of Islamic Organisations in Switzerland, encouraged schools to uphold the Christian songs: "From our perspective, it is most regretable when, in a Christian country, it is no longer allowed to sing Christian songs."

aSwissInTheUS 26.11.2019 20:04

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Quote:

Originally Posted by NotAllThere (Post 3124275)
Silent night doesn't contain the word Jesus which, outside of Hollywood films as an expletive, is offensive?

8 times in the original Version

Weyhnachts-Lied - Gustav Schreck

Stille Nacht! Heilige Nacht!
Alles schläft. Einsam wacht
Nur das traute heilige Paar.
Holder Knab’ im lockigten Haar,
Schlafe in himmlischer Ruh!
Schlafe in himmlischer Ruh!

Stille Nacht! Heilige Nacht!
Gottes Sohn! O! wie lacht
Lieb’ aus Deinem göttlichen Mund,
Da uns schlägt die rettende Stund’.
Jesus! in Deiner Geburt!
Jesus! in Deiner Geburt!

Stille Nacht! Heilige Nacht!
Die der Welt Heil gebracht,
Aus des Himmels goldenen Höh’n
Uns der Gnade Fülle läßt seh’n
Jesum in Menschengestalt!
Jesum in Menschengestalt!

Stille Nacht! Heilige Nacht!
Wo sich heut alle Macht
Väterlicher Liebe ergoß
Und als Bruder huldvoll umschloß
Jesus die Völker der Welt!
Jesus die Völker der Welt!

Stille Nacht! Heilige Nacht!
Lange schon uns bedacht,
Als der Herr vom Grimme befreit,
In der Väter urgrauer Zeit
Aller Welt Schonung verhieß!
Aller Welt Schonung verhieß!

Stille Nacht! Heilige Nacht!
Hirten erst kundgemacht
Durch der Engel „Hallelujah!“
Tönt es laut bei Ferne und Nah:
„Jesus der Retter ist da!“
„Jesus der Retter ist da!“

Guest 26.11.2019 20:12

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in einem christlichen Land
There is no such thing.

aSwissInTheUS 26.11.2019 20:14

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Wasn't Jesus the gardener part of the Easter story? :confused::D
Could be. But as we know from Stille Nacht God's son's real name is anyway not Jesus but Owie !

st2lemans 26.11.2019 20:18

Re: Primary school bans certain Christmas Carols
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by NotAllThere (Post 3124275)
Silent night doesn't contain the word Jesus which, outside of Hollywood films as an expletive, is offensive?

Quote:

Originally Posted by aSwissInTheUS (Post 3124326)
8 times in the original Version

Bummer, only 6 times in the English version:

Silent night, holy night
All is calm, all is bright
'Round yon virgin Mother and Child
Holy infant so tender and mild
Sleep in heavenly peace
Sleep in heavenly peace

Silent night, holy night!
Shepherds quake at the sight!
Glories stream from heaven afar;
Heavenly hosts sing Al-le-lu-ia!
Christ the Savior is born!
Christ the Savior is born!
Christ the Savior is born!

Silent night, holy night
Son of God, oh, love's pure light
Radiant beams from Thy holy face
With the dawn of redeeming grace
Jesus, Lord at Thy birth
Jesus, Lord at Thy birth
Jesus, Lord at Thy birth

Tom

st2lemans 26.11.2019 20:26

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Perhaps they should demand the "Horst Wessel Song" instead. :eek:

Tom

curley 26.11.2019 20:37

Re: Primary school bans certain Christmas Carols
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by aSwissInTheUS (Post 3124326)
8 times in the original Version

Weyhnachts-Lied - Gustav Schreck

Stille Nacht! Heilige Nacht! ..............

Just realized I never made it past the first verse as a kid. Reading the text, I'm not surprised really.

Guest 26.11.2019 20:40

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It's far from clear from previous posts what exactly is the motivation, and I sincerely hope it's not because of their religious content, "Jesus" or otherwise.

I'm more than happy to celebrate Christmas, even though I'm an atheist, which in some peoples' eyes might make me a hypocrite, but it's what I was brought up with so I see no reason t spurn it just because I no longer believe in the religious bits of what os otherwise a pre-christian midwinter festival.

I can see that strong believers of other faiths might not want to join in, but surely they're not forced to take part in Carol services and the like, are they?


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