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Old 18.06.2021, 17:53
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Re: Conspiracy beliefs on the rise...

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Here's another one from Guests in our Restaurant....

"I'm not anti vacinating, I'm just not sure about the long term effects of the jab juice"
And is the covidiot sure about the long term effects of contracting the infection?

Thought not.
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Old 19.06.2021, 20:48
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Re: Conspiracy beliefs on the rise...

I had a report on this post, however I do not believe as moderators of this forum we should be arbiters of truth.

Last year we were told on good authority that COVID 19 did NOT come from a lab, now it's a distinct possibility. I am happy for members to have different opinions to myself & do not wish this forum to become an echo chamber of 'official news'. Plenty of governments have tried that over the last 100 years to make them appear good to their people & many people have died as a result.

A thread on Conspiracy beliefs will always have some 'interesting' posts, some of which will in time turn out to be accurate, I know a group who come up with far more 'interesting stuff' yet the members are all intelligent & successful people.
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Old 19.06.2021, 20:58
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A thread on Conspiracy beliefs will always have some 'interesting' posts, some of which will in time turn out to be accurate, I know a group who come up with far more 'interesting stuff' yet the members are all intelligent & successful people.
But in this case, this poster has not come up with anything interesting at all. He's just copied and pasted a video.

There is no comment from him at all. This is worst than TikTok. At least in TikTok people make their own videos.
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Old 19.06.2021, 21:05
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But in this case, this poster has not come up with anything interesting at all. He's just copied and pasted a video.

There is no comment from him at all. This is worst than TikTok. At least in TikTok people make their own videos.
That is indeed correct, however I am not aware of any forum rules being broken & a poster I respect has liked it so it would appear to be of some benefit to the community.
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I had a report on this post, however I do not believe as moderators of this forum we should be arbiters of truth.

Last year we were told on good authority that COVID 19 did NOT come from a lab, now it's a distinct possibility. I am happy for members to have different opinions to myself & do not wish this forum to become an echo chamber of 'official news'. Plenty of governments have tried that over the last 100 years to make them appear good to their people & many people have died as a result.

A thread on Conspiracy beliefs will always have some 'interesting' posts, some of which will in time turn out to be accurate, I know a group who come up with far more 'interesting stuff' yet the members are all intelligent & successful people.
Well said.

The video is based on fact. An accompanying comment from the poster would of been helpful.

I posted about the Great Reset back in February.

There are no secrets here. Some things are hidden in plain sight.
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Old 19.06.2021, 23:28
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But in this case, this poster has not come up with anything interesting at all. He's just copied and pasted a video.

There is no comment from him at all. This is worst than TikTok. At least in TikTok people make their own videos.
...it is a comment there, but is very concise...I could elaborate more, but I am very cautious now as I been treated couple times to be ,,excommunicated''...many of my posts been deleted/sliced/moved...been called troll, anti-vaxer, conspiracy believer, leftist, etc...this just because I not believe in mainstream...as the history proved mainstream is never right...mainstream is always created by shepherds for herd to make sheep go easier to slaughterhouse...
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Old 20.06.2021, 00:17
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I had a report on this post, however I do not believe as moderators of this forum we should be arbiters of truth.
Heard there was a new mod on the block. Didn't realise it was Alex Jones!
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That is indeed correct, however I am not aware of any forum rules being broken & a poster I respect has liked it so it would appear to be of some benefit to the community.
Ooo! So much for mod impartiality.
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Old 20.06.2021, 10:03
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That is indeed correct, however I am not aware of any forum rules being broken & a poster I respect has liked it so it would appear to be of some benefit to the community.
I never wrote that it should be deleted. I just wrote that some comment would be nice.

Whilst recognising that I am repeating myself, this is a discussion forum not a video posting site like TikTok.

As for the great reset and things will never be the same again - that has happened many times during history and yes, things have never been the same but have they been worse afterwards?

The invention of the train and railways.
The industrial revolution.
Aeroplanes (both in commerical and in warfare).
WWII
The fall of the iron curtain
Industrialisation of the food industry.

and so on....
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Old 20.06.2021, 10:23
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That is indeed correct, however I am not aware of any forum rules being broken & a poster I respect has liked it so it would appear to be of some benefit to the community.
I thought it was against forum rules to post links without a comment.
Personally I don’t think …..or…… counts as a comment.
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Old 20.06.2021, 10:41
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I thought it was against forum rules to post links without a comment.
Personally I don’t think …..or…… counts as a comment.
There are new forum rules after the Great EF reset!
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Old 20.06.2021, 10:46
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There are new forum rules after the Great EF reset!
It would be nice if the forum management could communicate these new forum rules to the rest of us.
It’s really not like them to be so uncommunicative.
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Old 20.06.2021, 11:09
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Re: Conspiracy beliefs on the rise...

I find this conspiracy video, like many others, has totally misread - probably quite deliberately - what is meant by "reset"...
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Old 20.06.2021, 15:13
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The video is based on fact. An accompanying comment from the poster would of been helpful...

There are no secrets here. Some things are hidden in plain sight.
All conspiracy theories have a nugget of truth and fact in them. The conspiracy part is how those facts are interpreted and conflated. EF members have been posting about 'The Great Reset' since the WEF in Jan 2020, long before you joined the forum.

It's a sad fact of life that you can be utterly open and completely honest with people, yet there are still some with suspicious minds or paranoia, who refuse to accept it and insist of seeing sinister ulterior motives which aren't present. It's one thing to always check your sources and facts, but another to abjectly refuse facts in favour of some nonsensical paranoid fantasy.

When the source of a video is a website asking money for more information, or for meet ups in Texas and Mexico, commonsense would make me think that may not be a reliable source and exist to relieve scared, vulnerable people of their money.

"Conspiracy theories are the things that allow stupid people to think they are being clever." - David Baddiel
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Heard there was a new mod on the block. Didn't realise it was Alex Jones! Ooo! So much for mod impartiality.
Whilst I don't believe in "The Great Reset" as some great planned conspiracy led by the evil Klaus Schwab, I am less inclined to simply dismiss these concerns. A year and half ago, every week on his podcast Steve Bannon would have experts and doctors on his show and these people were talking about gain of function research in Wuhan, how the protein spikes in the virus didn't look natural. All of them were dismissed as crazies and quacks (rather like Bannon himself). It was dismissed as conspiracy theory, removed from social media etc. Fast forward to the present moment and it appears Steve Bannon and his guests were far more closer to the truth than almost the entire consensus of scientific* opinion in March 2020!

*Actually, it also turns out this isn't entirely accurate as many scientists are coming forward now to say they were worried about voicing these concerns over the Lab Leak Theory in fear of having their reputation ruined.
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..Fast forward to the present moment and it appears Steve Bannon and his guests were far more closer to the truth than almost the entire consensus of scientific* opinion in March 2020..
It seems to me that whenever some opinions are hard to accept, understand or imagine, they might be pigeonholed into the "fake news", "stupid" or "conspiracy theory" categories.

What happened to being ok just saying good ol' "We do not know enough". I remember hearing it quite a bit on local TV channels during the confinement and the whole last year, it really sounded honest and realistic. It is ok to not know something, some media will never say it for the fear of losing ratings. Maybe people here are more ok dealing with uncertainty, instead of resorting to labelling and name calling.
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A year and half ago, every week on his podcast Steve Bannon would have experts and doctors on his show and these people were talking about gain of function research in Wuhan, how the protein spikes in the virus didn't look natural. All of them were dismissed as crazies and quacks (rather like Bannon himself). It was dismissed as conspiracy theory, removed from social media etc. Fast forward to the present moment and it appears Steve Bannon and his guests were far more closer to the truth than almost the entire consensus of scientific* opinion in March 2020!
Your source: Steve Bannon podcasts.

My source: USA Today Fact Check...

'In 2014, the NIH approved a grant to EcoHealth Alliance designated for research into “Understanding the Risk of Bat Coronavirus Emergence.” The project involved collaborating with researchers at the Wuhan Institute of Virology to study coronaviruses in bats and the risk of potential transfer to humans.

The original five-year grant was reapproved by the Trump administration in July 2019. In total, $3,378,896 in NIH funding was directed from the government to the project.'
https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/f...ab/3061490001/

As with most things of this ilk, it will be years before we know the full truth, and we may not know it in our lifetimes. There are still WWII events covered by The Official Secrets Act in the UK. So the options are, deal with the situation we're in, or waste precious time and energy wondering WTF went wrong in the first place. My preference will always be that the two things be done concurrently.
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It seems to me that whenever some opinions are hard to accept, understand or imagine, they might be pigeonholed into the "fake news", "stupid" or "conspiracy theory" categories.
This is the problem in a nutshell.

I fully understand the video in question. I've followed it to the source, and it's a website asking money for information and meet ups.

People who peddle Qanon theories and many conspiracy theories are in it purely for the money they can extract from scared, vulnerable people.

THAT is extortion!

Now you can spend all day long claiming that I don't understand this crap until you're blue in the face, but I recognise extortion when I see it. I recognise pyramid selling based upon fear when I see it. This is your ultimate snake oil salespeople peddling an idea and fear for hard earned cash.

If you choose, of your own volition, to stand by that, it would indicate to me that you care little for the members of this forum.
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All conspiracy theories have a nugget of truth and fact in them. The conspiracy part is how those facts are interpreted and conflated. EF members have been posting about 'The Great Reset' since the WEF in Jan 2020, long before you joined the forum.

It's a sad fact of life that you can be utterly open and completely honest with people, yet there are still some with suspicious minds or paranoia, who refuse to accept it and insist of seeing sinister ulterior motives which aren't present. It's one thing to always check your sources and facts, but another to abjectly refuse facts in favour of some nonsensical paranoid fantasy.

When the source of a video is a website asking money for more information, or for meet ups in Texas and Mexico, commonsense would make me think that may not be a reliable source and exist to relieve scared, vulnerable people of their money.

"Conspiracy theories are the things that allow stupid people to think they are being clever." - David Baddiel
The source of the video is largely irrelevant. What matters is that it is a short, thought-provoking video that could encourage those that may never of heard about The Great Reset to investigate further. Let them be free to make of it what they will rather than be told what to think.

The Baddiel quote you've posted is laughable. Far more apt in this case are:

It ain’t what you don’t know that gets you into trouble. It’s what you know for sure that just ain’t so. - Mark Twain

All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident. - Arthur Schopenhauer
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Re: Conspiracy beliefs on the rise...

For your perusal:

Cyber expert warns of dangers of unregulated social media
https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/schaake...blem-/46296628

How Swiss text sleuths have unpicked mystery of QAnon origins
https://www.thelocal.ch/20210117/how...qanon-origins/
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