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the believers in cloud people conspiracies seems to be on the decline:

https://www.pewforum.org/2019/10/17/...at-rapid-pace/
Jediism is the culprit.
https://www.becometheforce.com/
https://www.templeofthejediorder.org...e-of-the-order
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Old 23.06.2021, 09:45
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Covid vaccine, if injected through fine silk, will prevent the 5g chip from being injected. Insist on wrapping your arm in fine silk before getting your vaccine.

To be double safe, spin your chakras by gyrating your hips violently, this will put the 5g chip in a permanent state of delirium.
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Old 23.06.2021, 10:28
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Covid vaccine, if injected through fine silk, will prevent the 5g chip from being injected. Insist on wrapping your arm in fine silk before getting your vaccine.

To be double safe, spin your chakras by gyrating your hips violently, this will put the 5g chip in a permanent state of delirium.
Hey, was today the day? Can you share your 5G wifi password with us?
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Old 23.06.2021, 10:37
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Hey, was today the day? Can you share your 5G wifi password with us?
Too late, already assimilated by the Borg
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Old 23.06.2021, 10:44
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Covid vaccine, if injected through fine silk, will prevent the 5g chip from being injected. Insist on wrapping your arm in fine silk before getting your vaccine.

To be double safe, spin your chakras by gyrating your hips violently, this will put the 5g chip in a permanent state of delirium.
You forgot the neti-pot, dang it...
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Old 23.06.2021, 10:54
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You forgot the neti-pot, dang it...
Much of what you write alludes to something - I usually have no idea what though. They are generally quite nice and widens my general knowledge.

I had to google neti-pot. Why would your average EFer know what a sinus-rinse bottle brand is called??

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Old 23.06.2021, 10:56
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Covid vaccine, if injected through fine silk, will prevent the 5g chip from being injected. Insist on wrapping your arm in fine silk before getting your vaccine.

To be double safe, spin your chakras by gyrating your hips violently, this will put the 5g chip in a permanent state of delirium.
Are you reading This Perfect Day?
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Old 23.06.2021, 11:02
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Much of what you write allude to something - I usually have no idea what though. They are generally quite nice and widens my general knowledge.

I had to google neti-pot. Why would your average EFer know what a sinus-rinse bottle brand is called??
I've heard the term used by new parents that I know. Before that I'd never heard of it.
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Old 23.06.2021, 11:15
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All people who don't get vaccinated are stupid people who do not understand basic science? Seriously? So they all don't because they believe in a Gates-chip being implemented? There is nothing in between?
Of course there's a spectrum of conspiracy theorists. At one end, you get get stupid people who believe anything that'll make them feel they've access to knowledge others don't (hence consipiracy theories are a way for stupid people to feel clever. At the other end you've got pretty smart people who have a number of motives including
  • self aggrandisment
  • power
  • money
And of course across the board you've got people who are just plain wrong.

There should be two goals.
1. Take down the cynical theory promoters - expose them for what they are; nasty fear-mongering evil doers. (Every child who has died as a result of not getting vaccinated due to the antivax movement is blood on the hands of the like of Wakefield. I cannot believe he is the least bit sincere - he's on the same trip as tele-evangelist prosperity gospellers).
2. Educate people who haven't become True Believers but are wavering, with the facts in a non-patronising manner.

Not all True Believers are not stupid. Some are, some are not, but somewhere along the way they've adopted a mindset that's very hard to break. Once people mistrust all experts everywhere, all MSM and anything any government says, then they've no access to verifiable, trustworthy information and down the rabbit hole they go. Not much to be done really, except try to stop them taking in anyone else.

That's my take on it.
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Old 23.06.2021, 11:21
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Er. No. https://www.newscientist.com/article...leo-was-right/

In 1992, the Catholic Church admitted that Galileo was right. The Earth moves around the sun (Copernicus). The Sun does not move around the Earth (Ptolemy). Nothing flat earthy to see. Move along. Come on people - this is basic History of Science!

Let me say it again. The idea that any significant number of Western scholars, including Catholic ones, ever promoted the idea that the Earth was flat is a myth. It did not happen. It is not, and has never been, Catholic dogma.
I think factually even they didn't admit he was right but they admitted it was a mistake to say he was wrong.

The Catholic Church is very good at being ambiguous.
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Old 23.06.2021, 11:23
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Are you reading This Perfect Day?
No, but I Googled it
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Old 23.06.2021, 11:29
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As somebody said earlier, shooing them away by calling people idiots will make them even more defensive and closed off. It looks like a big part of the society wants everyone to vax. Do you think calling the hesitant people idiots will warm them up?
I would not rule out that there are parts of society who have an interest of sorts in having people who are closed off. It helps define a public enemy and you have somebody who to blame. Who would buy newspapers if everything was rainbows and unicorns? You need to fabricate new villains so you can prolong the narrative and so the righteous have a soapbox they can climb onto to decry the idiocy of the people they don't want to have a dialogue with.
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Old 23.06.2021, 11:42
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No, but I Googled it
Can recommend it. In fact, can recommend several of Levin's books.
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Old 23.06.2021, 11:45
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Of course there's a spectrum of conspiracy theorists. At one end, you get get stupid people who believe anything that'll make them feel they've access to knowledge others don't (hence consipiracy theories are a way for stupid people to feel clever. At the other end you've got pretty smart people who have a number of motives including
  • self aggrandisment
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  • money
And of course across the board you've got people who are just plain wrong.

There should be two goals.
1. Take down the cynical theory promoters - expose them for what they are; nasty fear-mongering evil doers. (Every child who has died as a result of not getting vaccinated due to the antivax movement is blood on the hands of the like of Wakefield. I cannot believe he is the least bit sincere - he's on the same trip as tele-evangelist prosperity gospellers).
2. Educate people who haven't become True Believers but are wavering, with the facts in a non-patronising manner.

Not all True Believers are not stupid. Some are, some are not, but somewhere along the way they've adopted a mindset that's very hard to break. Once people mistrust all experts everywhere, all MSM and anything any government says, then they've no access to verifiable, trustworthy information and down the rabbit hole they go. Not much to be done really, except try to stop them taking in anyone else.

That's my take on it.
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Old 23.06.2021, 11:51
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I think factually even they didn't admit he was right but they admitted it was a mistake to say he was wrong.

The Catholic Church is very good at being ambiguous.
You need to have respect for that. After all, the concept of God is the biggest conspiracy ever
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Old 23.06.2021, 11:58
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You forgot the neti-pot, dang it...
"neti-pot" misused more than masks, it is crucial to use sterilized water.
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Old 23.06.2021, 12:11
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So now these death-dealing nazis are no longer coming from the moon but from Kloten?

This is getting silly, going for a swim now...
For our resident expert on avaiation.

If a plane is flying very low over Kloten there are typically two possibilities.

It might be the plane has just taken off, but it might also be that the plane is coming down from the sky to do something ... but that must be a conspiracy.
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Old 23.06.2021, 12:28
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Much of what you write alludes to something - I usually have no idea what though. They are generally quite nice and widens my general knowledge.

I had to google neti-pot. Why would your average EFer know what a sinus-rinse bottle brand is called??
I’d heard it in the US, but among the “woke” earthy crunchy inhabitants of where I used to live, before wokeness was a thing, even. But it also points to the occasional cliquishness of EF. Always makes me laugh when ppl point out cliques in other social media…..but, I digress.
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Old 23.06.2021, 12:34
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I’d heard it in the US, but among the “woke” earthy crunchy inhabitants of where I used to live, before wokeness was a thing, even. But it also points to the occasional cliquishness of EF. Always makes me laugh when ppl point out cliques in other social media…..but, I digress.
I had to look up "crunchy" because I had the feeling that in this context it doesn't mean what I knew it meant and I was right. Thanks for the term, I'm happy to be educated. Frankly a lot of what EFers believe it's "woke" stuff was filed under politeness when I grew up, not even liberalism...'cause people didn't know about that either.
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For our resident expert on avaiation.

If a plane is flying very low over Kloten there are typically two possibilities.

It might be the plane has just taken off, but it might also be that the plane is coming down from the sky to do something ... but that must be a conspiracy.
I brushed my teeth with circular motion. It kinda hurt. Is Signal conspiring against my gums?
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