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Old 23.06.2021, 12:46
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I brushed my teeth with circular motion. It kinda hurt. Is Signal conspiring against my gums?
You probably did it in the wrong direction. Direction is crucial. I'm sure there is a group that will show you the way.

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I would not rule out that there are parts of society who have an interest of sorts in having people who are closed off. It helps define a public enemy and you have somebody who to blame.
Knowing how you like history excursions...Commies decapitated the "enemies of state", McCarthy destroyed lives, etc. etc. Chinese don't let people with low social credit use the public transport I heard. Marxists weren't nor are different to what you mentioned in your post. Orwell mastered the definition of group-think.

I may sound quite bizarro, I know, but I lived it. Living in Germany, UK or US was little bit better, different but group think seemed to be creeping in, too. There was a lot more freedom for me, no obvious silencing/banning of alternate opinions...It is interesting what crisis as Covid19 can accelerate. I do not think that most vax hesitants are conspirationalists. I am glad that our amazingly diverse community (of funny and smart expat and local people) is also aware of the local spirit of letting marginal, different, alternate voices and opinions be heard. "That's where I am from" now. I stayed in CH for a couple of reasons, one of them was this. People are attentive to other opinions, some of the marginal opinions have in the meantime become the accepted reality.

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Who would buy newspapers if everything was rainbows and unicorns? You need to fabricate new villains so you can prolong the narrative and so the righteous have a soapbox they can climb onto to decry the idiocy of the people they don't want to have a dialogue with.
Exactly. If people do not want to have a dialogue with somebody, why announce it. Talk to those who will listen. There are plenty of people willing to listen, create a good, civil exchange. Those who are civil and want genuine exchange always get an answer.
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Old 23.06.2021, 12:54
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I brushed my teeth with circular motion. It kinda hurt. Is Signal conspiring against my gums?
Try smaller circles.
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Old 23.06.2021, 12:57
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You probably did it in the wrong direction. Direction is crucial. I'm sure there i a group that will show you the way.
Before I brush my teeth again, at 2pm? Awesome.
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Old 23.06.2021, 13:21
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You're forgetting about those that think too much.
Oh yes - over-thinkers. Especially those who think that watching youtube videos is research.
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Old 23.06.2021, 13:35
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Knowing how you like history excursions...Commies decapitated the "enemies of state", McCarthy destroyed lives, etc. etc. Chinese don't let people with low social credit use the public transport I heard. Marxists were not different to what you mentioned in your post. Orwell mastered the definition of group-think.

I may sound out bizarro, I know, but I lived it. Living in Germany, UK or US was little bit better, different but group think seemed to be creeping in, too. There was a lot more freedom for me, no obvious silencing/banning of alternate opinions...It is interesting what crisis as Covid19 can accelerate. I do not think that most vax hesitants are conspirationalists. I am glad that our amazingly diverse community (of funny and smart expat and local people) is also aware of the local spirit of letting marginal, different, alternate voices and opinions be heard. "That's where I am from" now. I stayed in CH for a couple of reasons, one of them was this. People are attentive to other opinions, some of the marginal opinions have in the meantime become the accepted reality.
There's also an age component. Cool and open-minded friends which I've met and hanged out a lot in our 20s , somehow have become suburban dads believers of conspiracy theories.

I feel a bit more trapped in CH because The middle-class is quite aggressive pushing their values into everyone and the limit to be seen as eccentric wealthy is too damned high. Back at home, it's easier to reach the status of crazy but has some money, thus let him be.
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Old 23.06.2021, 13:43
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Re: Conspiracy beliefs on the rise...

There's also a big misinterpretation of "conspiracy theories" vs just being unaware of new science / information.

Thinking a bunch of people are doing something nefarious based on what another bunch of people on Facebook are saying is a conspiracy theory, particularly if you add in alleged suppression of this "information".

Just not knowing that vaccines generally work, or that drinking bleach is bad for you, or that you don't suffocate if you travel more than 50 mph is ignorance.
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Old 23.06.2021, 13:49
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There's also an age component. Cool and open-minded friends which I've met and hanged out a lot in our 20s , somehow have become suburban dads believers of conspiracy theories.

I feel a bit more trapped in CH because The middle-class is quite aggressive pushing their values into everyone and the limit to be seen as eccentric wealthy is too damned high. Back at home, it's easier to reach the status of crazy but has some money, thus let him be.
I totally get what you wrote. But it still freaks me out how diverse this place is, since here the older (the wealthier) people seem to get, the craz..oops, no, the more tolerant people seem to be, almost looking for anything non-standard to escape the routines.

Tbh, I have never witnessed anyone having more fun and partying than a 100 growns after hours during our singing camps. And I have been through some wild campaigns and alternative living experiences.
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Old 23.06.2021, 13:51
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I had to look up "crunchy" because I had the feeling that in this context it doesn't mean what I knew it meant and I was right. Thanks for the term, I'm happy to be educated. Frankly a lot of what EFers believe it's "woke" stuff was filed under politeness when I grew up, not even liberalism...'cause people didn't know about that either.
It’s true that a lot of people consider PCness to just be politeness. I often find it to be the case.

Earthy crunchy is a term I’ve known for a long time….I wasn’t trying to be snide necessarily, it was more an affectionate throwback.

Actually, the pediatric triage nurses I worked with were among the first advocates of the neti pot that I knew. This was 25 years ago.
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Old 23.06.2021, 15:17
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They are simply a way for stupid people who do not understand basic science and have no analytical skills to pretend to be clever. As this thread is proving.
To go back to this , Nick says how “stupid ppl dont understand basic science (analytical skills) but they want to look clever . 

Now that Nick is truly clever and has analytical skills I wonder how come he came to this conclusion … Years of media polluting our heads with who are the good guys and the bad(conspiracy) guys and how if you question something you’re into conspiracy theories? 


If Nick understands science then he should know how doubt is considered to be essential to science long before the scientific method was established. This means how some scientist claim one theory and others are opposed to it .
Some time in the past, we had scientists who claimed how spraying babies,children with DDT is good, kills germs.. Smoking is very beneficial and no proof of how it can be bad …some scientists were opposed to those claims. People , who would follow those scientists who are opposed to those theories were/are tagged to be conspiracists. Also, there are scientists who dont believe how we need now to give 60 vacc jabs to a child from age of 0 to 15 since in 60,70,80, a child would have 4-5 and that’s all , no evidence how now there’s more danger.. same goes for Global warming ..fossil energy,GMO, glyphosate…

Bottom line, people who dont agree with some official claims, it’s not because they are dumb with no analytical skills but they’re following scientists and science who are proving, claiming ,debating against those theories.
For ex. my prof. dr. med. at the med school has spoken and published how 80% of medicaments on the market are useless. He also published a book with another Dr where they listed 4000 medicaments that are useless and/or useless and dangerous . If I say this here on the forum I’d be tagged as stupid but I only agree with what he claims and I choose not to trust the industry that says “trust us, it’s all good, all verified” .
Then the scientist who says how 80% of med.are useless, is he dumb? a quack? tries to be clever? I’m trying to understand how smart people analyse 

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Old 23.06.2021, 15:27
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What’s really frustrating is that we live really in an era of junk science . And 90% of what we hear daily “scientists have found out” is junk science. Pure entertainment. Which now with the covid circus isnt anymore about , to live long eat 3eggs p.w then , no, 3 eggs p.w will reduce your life ex. by 5y , it is much worse.
And I’m not only referring to Alan Sokal -social text- experiment (which is very important if one wants to understand things a bit more profoundly) . I would suggesting discussing about scientific work like that research paper from Altman

https://www.bmj.com/content/308/6924/283


Lancet also published an article by Iain Chalmers and Paul Glasziou in which they argued that 85% of expenditure on medical research ($240 billion in 2010) is wasted.
And should I mention to clever Nick here one great article published at PLoS Medicine from Ioannnidis “Why Most Published Research Findings Are False ?

There’s much more and let’s imagine how we could live in a world where we’d be discussing this -every day- and question and ask for answers from big pharma and authorities , how come we’re allowing this ?
How come no one takes no responsibility for their actions? In fact, how come this is all conspiracy but their day-to-day “research” , lying , inventing data is not a conspiracy at all ? 
Or, how come it’s a conspiracy , if I state a fact and show evidence..
Like, Pfizer, paying 2,5 Bil. for falsifying data, false marketing, corruption . Can you imagine this? several years how so many scientists,labs were falsifying , claiming something that’s not true ? )) Also, have we seen the guilty ones? their faces, names , all that? no . Was there every day media telling you “well Pfizer who lied , who cheated ,selling you medicaments , forgery “ and every day , debates on tv , how this happened, what’s going on … politicians taking actions . No, nothing? 

But, what they do, every single day is telling you - the little salary man , how there are Fake news, and some idiot Qnanon , some bad people ,loonies, saying how corporations are bad , politicians are just a tool , a very corrupted tool… and every single day they mock and laugh at those “crazy gullible stupid ppl” so you guys , the ones that are smart with analytical skills , know how science, politics, is all great, verified and to be trusted.

I think as a society we sank really low ... ones who believe they're smart are just repeating pre-conceived phrases diffused around by agencies paid by big corp. to do their work .. others , being scared to even think and say things out loud , ..and this is why , everyone has an opinion , but to watch a talk involving 3 scientists they refuse to do because one of them has a funny hair cut :
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Old 23.06.2021, 16:30
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Lancet also published an article by Iain Chalmers and Paul Glasziou in which they argued that 85% of expenditure on medical research ($240 billion in 2010) is wasted.
And should I mention to clever Nick here one great article published at PLoS Medicine from Ioannnidis “Why Most Published Research Findings Are False ?
As marketing people say, 50% of cash goes to waste. Only problem is no one knows exactly which 50%.

So, telling 85% of research is waste is no great insight. But, who can tell which is the useful 15%? From a short-term perspective research and discovery are 100% wasteful. From a medium-term perspective you start to see some benefits. Maybe from a very long-term perspective half of the discovered things became useful. But, who can foresee a century into the future?
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There's also an age component. Cool and open-minded friends which I've met and hanged out a lot in our 20s , somehow have become suburban dads believers of conspiracy theories.
It's a polarising effect. People I hung about with in my 20s are either into conspiracies and talk about nothing else, or regular bewail how stupid even highly educated and intelligent people can be.

Highly educated and intelligent antivaxers are stupid. The more highly educated and intelligent, the more stupid they are. It's an inverse law. Low educated, low inteligence people are not stupid per se, just vastly ignorant.

TL;DR if you're into conspiracy theories you're either evil, stupid or ignorant.

That's my theory anyway.
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yes.
Now I can choose to argue with you and try to "educate" you if it feels important to me or makes me feel better.
Or I think what a effing mor. you are and stop interracting with you.
Or I change subjects since, apart from that strange thought, you are genuinely nice
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Wise attitude, Elu.

I think EF is designed in a manner that even folks who usually have this mindset tend to be quite reactive and argumentative here... Most of the time I do remember of this, not always though. I'm glad for you if you follow it all the time.

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It’s true that a lot of people consider PCness to just be politeness. I often find it to be the case.
I would say the opposite .

Politeness means turning a blind eye if somebody gets your pronoun wrong.

PCness is putting that person down publically and believing you have made the world a better place by doing so .
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I think part of the problem here is that science can only give answers to scientific questions .

If a problem is not formulated scientifically , then any response that claims to speak from a purely scientific perspective is going to be quack science, or an abuse of the high standards to which science should be held .

So a scientific question might be , how does the time spent together with an infected person or N infected persons at this distance correlate with the probability that I will be infected . This is something you can test or can verify with a calculation or a model . Somebody else can challenge that model and maybe suggest a tweak to improve it’s accuracy . Thats how science works .

A lot of the stuff that comes on the news is not in that category .



Following the whims of politicians is not normally the same as following the science .
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Think the biggest consumer conspiracy of all time is planned obsolescence.
https://youtu.be/j5v8D-alAKE
However, this is one conspiracy belief that is not fake IMHO.
So am off now shopping Digitec for a new phone.
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May I recommend a Fairphone. Designed not to become obsolete quite so quickly.
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May I recommend a Fairphone. Designed not to become obsolete quite so quickly.
How about picking up a second hand phone on Ricardo ?

Basic functionality like taking calls or checking emails should still work on a y phone made in the last 10 years if not more .

And that’s even more eco because the phone has already been manufactured
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