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Old 18.02.2020, 11:25
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And vice-versa, leading to a closed circle of confirmation bias.

Back in the day, as a young market researcher I worked on viewer response to soap opera storylines*, including gathering opinions on where the plot should next go, what topics should be addressed and how. The data was then used to write the ongoing story arc.

So if viewers expressed sufficient interest in a topic - current news, controversies included - it would work it's way into the storyline. And since keeping viewership was the goal, how the topic was addressed often reflected common bias.

Dreadful programming - but influential.





*One of the sins for which I will surely burn in hell.
I don't think market researchers will burn in hell for trying to figure out what info people want to be fed in the free time.

But it must have been either comical or utterly depressing.

I think this kind of data is now simply bought from Google, FB, you tube, etc.
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Old 18.02.2020, 11:33
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Don't be surprised if the antivaxxers also go for "alternative" cancer treatment.
Know one of those too. She chose 'the power of prayer' for about the first 2yrs after her diagnosis, until the pain became too much. Finally, she switched to chemo for a few months. Her widower insists it was the chemo that killed her.
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Old 18.02.2020, 11:41
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Know one of those too. She chose 'the power of prayer' for about the first 2yrs after her diagnosis, until the pain became too much. Finally, she switched to chemo for a few months. Her widower insists it was the chemo that killed her.
As long as you use somebody's pain to prove your point on a public forum. Did you also "call the widower on it"?
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The ‘excited states’ concept of freedom of speech is much different from other, more civilised*, countries.

For good reason Nazi regalia is banned in Germany, but in the US it’s their god-given right to say anything they want, regardless of the impact on others.

To paraphrase “First, do no harm”

*It is my god-given right to suggest it is less civilised.
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Old 18.02.2020, 12:14
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As long as you use somebody's pain to prove your point on a public forum. Did you also "call the widower on it"?
My partner did on many occasions throughout because, as a survivor himself, they leaned on him heavily for advice. My role was to hold him every time he cried when that advice was ignored. The last time I saw her, I hugged her and begged her to get treatment.
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Old 18.02.2020, 12:15
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The Archers, a BBC Radio 4 soap set around a village in 'Herefordshire' (trust me on that) was originally produced to relay new farming information to farmers and other landworkers.
I thought Ambridge was in Borsetshire. Not that I've ever listened mind you...
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As long as you use somebody's pain to prove your point on a public forum. Did you also "call the widower on it"?
Actually, blueangel has a point.

My former 2nd brother-in-law belonged to a group of people (e.g. 'church') who went to visit cancer patients to heal them and rid them of the disease with prayer....needless to say that they didn't succeed and it was always the fault of medicine who poisoned the people so that they were not able to receive healing via prayer.....discussing with him was pointless!

I am open to many non-school-medicine based cures etc, but as someone who trained in nursing, this approach to such a serious illness is really naïve!
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Old 18.02.2020, 12:38
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I thought Ambridge was in Borsetshire. Not that I've ever listened mind you...
It is but everything in the story lines suggests Borsetshire is based on Herefordshire or perhaps Shropshire (not that I listen either).
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Old 18.02.2020, 12:39
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As long as you use somebody's pain to prove your point on a public forum. Did you also "call the widower on it"?
What a horrible thing to say.
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Old 18.02.2020, 12:40
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I am open to many non-school-medicine based cures etc, but as someone who trained in nursing, this approach to such a serious illness is really naïve!
Thank you.
Beliefs such as this have caused irreparable damage to my family, with the vape trail person repeatedly posting 'advice' about alkaline water (?) and herbs curing cancer on another family member's facebook page, at the exact time she was discussing palliative care options for her son. The hurt that caused was immense.
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As long as you use somebody's pain to prove your point on a public forum. Did you also "call the widower on it"?
Somebody obviously got out of the wrong side of the bed this morning.
That comment is nasty and uncalled for.
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Know one of those too. She chose 'the power of prayer' for about the first 2yrs after her diagnosis, until the pain became too much. Finally, she switched to chemo for a few months. Her widower insists it was the chemo that killed her.
I don't know much about cancer or treatment, but isn't there some truth that chemotherapy can make people worse or finish them off?
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Old 18.02.2020, 13:07
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Somebody obviously got out of the wrong side of the bed this morning.
That comment is nasty and uncalled for.
store it for the next time someone nags about uncharitable and blablabla interpretations
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I don't know much about cancer or treatment, but isn't there some truth that chemotherapy can make people worse or finish them off?
Sure
First, there is a risk in every medical treatment
Second, and I thought thats obvious, no one does chemo when there are other viable options.
My mother in law went through it two years ago, they basically resetted her whole imune system. She's still recovering from it, one year after its (hopefully succesful) en. To her it was a choice between certain death and a really ed up year with the possibility of either death or full recovery at the end. I have the highest respect for people confronted with such a decision and whatever they decide must be supported.
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store it for the next time someone nags about uncharitable and blablabla interpretations
It appears to be an acceptable comment. I'm extrapolating, obvs.
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As long as you use somebody's pain to prove your point on a public forum. Did you also "call the widower on it"?
What a deeply unpleasant and vile thing to say.

My last post complaining about this was deleted. Double standards at play methinks.
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I don't know much about cancer or treatment, but isn't there some truth that chemotherapy can make people worse or finish them off?
Yes it can, and some people choose to not get chemo treatment in the hope to get a better last period of their life.

It all depends on how radiation one needs and what kind of cancer one has, but it can make people incredibly ill and feel much worse than they would without the treatment, and than the chance of survival, sometimes chemo is just to slow down the inevitable, sometimes it only gives a 10% chance of succes, I fully understand people who decide "it's been good, I'll take it as it comes and no chemo for me."
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Yes it can, and some people choose to not get chemo treatment in the hope to get a better last period of their life.

It all depends on how radiation one needs and what kind of cancer one has, but it can make people incredibly ill and feel much worse than they would without the treatment, and than the chance of survival, sometimes chemo is just to slow down the inevitable, sometimes it only gives a 10% chance of succes, I fully understand people who decide "it's been good, I'll take it as it comes and no chemo for me."
While what you say may be true, in broad terms, for both, it's really worth recognising that radiotherapy is completely different, with a different range of effects, both negative and positive, from chemotherapy.
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Yes it can, and some people choose to not get chemo treatment in the hope to get a better last period of their life.

It all depends on how radiation one needs and what kind of cancer one has, but it can make people incredibly ill and feel much worse than they would without the treatment, and than the chance of survival, sometimes chemo is just to slow down the inevitable, sometimes it only gives a 10% chance of succes, I fully understand people who decide "it's been good, I'll take it as it comes and no chemo for me."
A friend of my mom has done that. I still find it incredibly courageous that she has taken that decision. It was the right thing to do for her in her situation - but many people (understandably) do anything to extend their life.
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I don't know much about cancer or treatment, but isn't there some truth that chemotherapy can make people worse or finish them off?
Different cancers require different treatment. All treatments carry risk. People can die with chemo, from chemo and if they don’t have chemo. Family members are torn to shreds from the diagnoses, treatments and watching their loved ones die. People hang on to woo like crazy. Sometimes a little woo gives comfort, but mostly it’s at best useless, at worst dangerous.

I’m trying to understand what was wrong with Blueangel’s comment. No private information was given. It is devastating to watch people deny treatments that can help, especially when you have a similar experience.
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