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Old 16.03.2020, 10:55
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Re: Border closure - Covid 19

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Apply the argument to Germany then see what the actual answer was. Also, not sure what driving to France today proves as we already know it's still open atm.
Not sure what Germany has to do with it, but I'm simply going to report back what the border situation is actually like re extra checks, delays etc.
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Old 16.03.2020, 11:01
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Re: Border closure - Covid 19

Well, simply put: the German-French border are in lock down, it would not make much sense if it wasnt the same at the Basel border… here is my situation in Luxembourg: I can always cross into Luxembourg, but to get back into Germany do I need a paper signed by my employer identifying me as a cross border worker. Otherwise you get to the long and slow line… as a national would they not turn me back there, but put me under quarantine. Non-Germans without very good reasons to travel will be turned back. "I go on vacation to the UK" is not a good reason.

As the measures were announced rather short term are they sort of letting some people through today but are expected to raise the bar over the coming days.

"But shops are still open... can I not go to the German supermarket anymore?" Thats the exact reason for this lock down - Germany wants to prevent the typical French shopping tourism to stop the spread.
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Old 16.03.2020, 11:38
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Thanks Medea Fleecestealer, saw that BBC report in the wee hours, and have since seen some local news reporting that 10 cars already turned back this morning from one of the Germany/Swiss borders.

Sigh.

Still not clear on whether travelling for care duties is likely to get a pass through or not though. Guess I'll just have to see what develops with all the panic madness in the next couple of weeks, then make a judgement call on whether we try to get in and out (with the risk of being turned away), or not...

Thing with driving is having to cross several borders with which the rules can change while you're driving.
If you must go through the hassle, why not fly? There still are some flights. And if you're British you'll get in there and if you have a residence permit here you'll get back in here as well. At least the chance the rules don't change while you're on your way is better.
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Morning EF'ers.

I'm supposed to be driving to and from the UK, leaving in a couple of weeks from now, and would usually go for a small distance through Germany before hitting France, and then of course the channel crossing. I'm heading there to provide care support for a family member, but cannot see if that is would fall into the bucket of "non essential travel"?

I can easily detour to bypass Germany of course, and go straight into France, hoping of course that France hasn't closed its own borders by then and/or that Switzerland will let me back in on my return.....

The situation is changing by the day so absolutely impossible to predict travel restrictions across several borders in a couple of weeks. You also run the risk of rules changing while en-route. I would suggest flying,
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Old 16.03.2020, 12:35
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You just speculating?
There's a difference between reopening border controls and applying restrictions to movement, and "closing the borders".
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Old 16.03.2020, 12:58
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Re: Border closure - Covid 19

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The situation is changing by the day so absolutely impossible to predict travel restrictions across several borders in a couple of weeks. You also run the risk of rules changing while en-route. I would suggest flying,
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(yes, I know there are other airlines. Just pointing out that flying is certainly not risk free)
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Old 16.03.2020, 13:33
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Re: Border closure - Covid 19

Has any one tried to cross a land border to germany, with or without a check post?

I have some parcels to pick up at my german shipping address, but not sure now to try and drive over for them or not.

Also when I spoke to the lady there a few days ago before the closure and I told her it would most likely happen, she laughed and said they would be submerged in parcels within days

And whilst I am on it, on the swiss restrictions of 50 people gathering, my son asked immeditately "what about planes?"

Crossing fingers the infection rate start to slow down soon if the countries that have taken drastic action to show us it's going to ok before long.
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Old 16.03.2020, 13:52
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Re: Border closure - Covid 19

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Has any one tried to cross a land border to germany, with or without a check post?

I have some parcels to pick up at my german shipping address, but not sure now to try and drive over for them or not.

Also when I spoke to the lady there a few days ago before the closure and I told her it would most likely happen, she laughed and said they would be submerged in parcels within days

And whilst I am on it, on the swiss restrictions of 50 people gathering, my son asked immeditately "what about planes?"

Crossing fingers the infection rate start to slow down soon if the countries that have taken drastic action to show us it's going to ok before long.
Transport is exempted from the 50-people rule. The airlines use HEPA filters that catch 99.9% of viruses. So the group you are in is the row you are in and the rows immediately in front and behind you. 18 people in your group, if the seats are all filled.
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Old 16.03.2020, 13:59
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If you must go through the hassle, why not fly?
Thx Curley, definately keeping that option open. Usually take the furries with me when I travel, but if needs mean flying is the only option, then the kennels will benefit! Couple of weeks away yet, given how quickly the landscape has changed in Europe in the last 2 weeks, who knows what we'll be facing at the end of this month!
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Old 16.03.2020, 14:46
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Re: Border closure - Covid 19

If the authorities don't close the airports, the airlines will due to lack of demand.

As soon as the tourists in the ski resorts get home demand is going to drop off dramatically.
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Old 16.03.2020, 14:47
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Re: Border closure - Covid 19

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I don't know why the world seems to be insistent on creating panic about things that haven't happened yet, and might or might not happen at some future point.
I think the question of panic, and what is deemed to be creating it, is very subjective.

For some, information, such as "border between country A and country B is closed", is a fact they want or need to know to be able to organise their lives, and does not feel like anything more than an irritation to be dealt with, or planned around. For others, hearing such news feels disorientating or terrifying, and the more so if they have important people they yearn to see and now can't reach, on the other side. Even so, they may or may not panic.

So yes, while I'm sure some folk do get a buzz from stoking up the drama, many others pass on information, and make informed guesses or predictions based on extrapolations of the events hithertofore, with the plain intention of empowering others to plan.

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Old 16.03.2020, 14:53
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https://www.theguardian.com/business...ng-coronavirus

(yes, I know there are other airlines. Just pointing out that flying is certainly not risk free)
I just tried to book a flight with Swiss to get a child home from France and between starting the booking and payment, the flight became fully booked.

I got one for later this week.
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Old 16.03.2020, 15:21
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Re: Border closure - Covid 19

Speaking of borders, Bavaria has gone into lockdown, everything is closed with only food supplies still open.
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Re: Border closure - Covid 19

Mate of mine was turned away going from France to Germany.

Went to Swiss crossing, said he was going to see the dentist - they asked for papers to prove it and he said that he did not have them. So he got in, but I would guess that they tighten things up (this was Basel to Germany crossing). With Swiss plates getting back in was no problem.

So likely that you will get turned back in a few days if you try this.

No bad thing - we have to all stay at home and watch netflix for the next few weeks and try not to infect the elderly.
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Old 16.03.2020, 16:53
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Re: Border closure - Covid 19

Stuttgart Airport is officially closed.
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Old 16.03.2020, 17:14
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Re: Border closure - Covid 19

crossing border today....
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I just tried to book a flight with Swiss to get a child home from France and between starting the booking and payment, the flight became fully booked.

I got one for later this week.
Something like that would happen when an airline cancels another flight (or knows it will be long delayed) and they need to ‘protect’ those bookings. As their Reservations people ‘firm’ the rebookings seats could open up again. But I doubt they would be cheap.
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Transport is exempted from the 50-people rule. The airlines use HEPA filters that catch 99.9% of viruses. So the group you are in is the row you are in and the rows immediately in front and behind you. 18 people in your group, if the seats are all filled.
That ain't remotely true about true HEPA filters. Ie category 13 one captures > 99.75% of the particles sized 0.3 μm. Coronavirus are around 100 nm, or 0.1 μm. So you catch some, and let many through. You always catch some, even with wet plain cloth, that's not a measure of any real protection.

HEPAs are good for bacteria which are much bigger, but not these viruses.

Anyway, airlines would have to create a proper wind turbine inside the plane to properly protect people from others that are ie coughing, not even mentioning sterilizing all possible surfaces. Plus the whole airports.

It just doesn't make any sense, I wouldn't rely on it a bit.
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Old 16.03.2020, 19:22
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Re: Border closure - Covid 19

Damn it! It’s official now ... we are put on LOCKDOWN

https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/covid-1...ation/45620148
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Old 16.03.2020, 19:25
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Damn it! It’s official now ... we are put on LOCKDOWN

https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/covid-1...ation/45620148
Don't worry, nothing special is happening for the moment.

Borders are open, people can go out on fresh air, walk their dogs...Nothing to worry about.

We'll see what will change in 5-10 days
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