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Old 17.03.2020, 18:59
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I watched an interesting piece on the BBC saying that if at all possible, don't accept a voucher from airline, hotel, travel company etc.. Re-book for another date or get a refeund..

If they go bust a voucher will be worthless.. But bookings should be refunded by ATOL or insurance.
Good point. I will wait for my voucher and rebook asap then. (The entire 130 EUR...)
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Old 17.03.2020, 21:11
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Rumour has it in the UK that food industry is lobbying the government to allow restaurant workers to work in their food production facilities.
In Ticino, many restaurants are converting to take out and delivery.

(both allowed)

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Old 17.03.2020, 21:24
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Re: Border closure - Covid 19

It's a tough situation for everybody, but realistically no one will be able to travel out of the country for easter holidays.

I had booked most of my hotels with Booking.Com and they actually are cancelling bookings and refunding, even when pre-paid - they have added a special button to ask for special cancellations. Same for car rental, I already got refunded.

But Edelweiss, not sure how that is going to go - I have 4 grand tied up there, but the flights are not yet cancelled cos it's too far ahead, even though the destination country has declared national emergency... I wonder how long all the airlines can last in this climat.
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In Ticino, many restaurants are converting to take out and delivery.

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Same here
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Old 17.03.2020, 22:09
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In Ticino, many restaurants are converting to take out and delivery.

(both allowed)

Tom
Pretty comfi time to be in an emergency. Take away, meal deliveries, MM and Coop deliveries, general online shopping everywhere ....
I was trying to imagine Corona 30 years ago.
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Old 17.03.2020, 22:13
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Pretty comfi time to be in an emergency. Take away, meal deliveries, MM and Coop deliveries, general online shopping everywhere ....
I was trying to imagine Corona 30 years ago.
If the situation carries on like this you may not have to imagine it.
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Old 17.03.2020, 22:28
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If the situation carries on like this you may not have to imagine it.
True. Although I know I can go with a lot less than now. And losing a few kilos is fine with me too.
When they turn the electricity off, I'll get nervous. When they turn the water off, I'll get very moody to put it kindly. (Not to mention I'll be freezing as well but actually that starts with the electricity already).
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Old 17.03.2020, 22:34
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True. Although I know I can go with a lot less than now. And losing a few kilos is fine with me too.
When they turn the electricity off, I'll get nervous. When they turn the water off, I'll get very moody to put it kindly. (Not to mention I'll be freezing as well but actually that starts with the electricity already).
I see people getting worried about this state of emergency while we have every imaginable luxury in our homes

In 1991 we waited 2 days in a line inside a car to get 5 liters of petrol. There were 2 products available in the supermarket, margarine and sunflower oil. Milk was so scarce that you could only drink it if you had family in the village.
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Old 17.03.2020, 22:43
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I see people getting worried about this state of emergency while we have every imaginable luxury in our homes

In 1991 we waited 2 days in a line inside a car to get 5 liters of petrol. There were 2 products available in the supermarket, margarine and sunflower oil. Milk was so scarce that you could only drink it if you had family in the village.
Where was that?!

I was fine in 1991. Even the time I spent in Niger that year, where the Touareg war was going on and borders closed except when flying, I was fine.



edit, later: Sorry, are you Croatian? If so apologies.

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Old 17.03.2020, 22:46
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Re: Border closure - Covid 19

7 March 2020 21:00
Video conference of the members of the European Council, 17 March 2020
https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/m...il/2020/03/17/


Conclusions by the President of the European Council following the video conference with members of the European Council on COVID-19

Today 17 March, Members of the European Council held a videoconference on COVID-19 in order to follow up on previous conclusions of 10 March 2020 together with the ECB President, the President of the Eurogroup and the High Representative.

We reaffirmed the need to work together and to do everything necessary to tackle the crisis and its consequences.

The priority is the health of our citizens.

On the four priorities identified:

1. Limiting the spread of the virus

We endorsed the guidelines proposed by the Commission on border management. We need to ensure passage of medicines, food and goods and our citizens must be able to travel to their home countries. Adequate solutions for cross-border workers will be found.

To limit the spread of the virus globally, we agreed to reinforce our external borders by applying a coordinated temporary restriction of non-essential travel to the EU for a period of 30 days, based on the approach proposed by the Commission.

5. Citizens stranded in Third countries.

We committed to coordinate among our embassies and the EU delegations in third countries. The High Representative and the European External action service will support in this regard.

We will jointly arrange repatriation of EU citizens, where necessary and possible, and make use of the Unionís Civil protection mechanism. Additional EU funding for such joint operations will be mobilised.
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I see people getting worried about this state of emergency while we have every imaginable luxury in our homes
Yes, true. When I was a kiddo we didn't have a lot of things, not because my parents didn't have enough money but because you couldn't buy them from anywhere. Ahh, the forgotten times when people cultivated family relations with shop assistants and folks who worked in commerce. The more international the commerce, the better.

Though I haven't been myself in the position to worry about where to buy basic stuff, like my parents in the late '80s, I am used to think that you can manage without lots of things, or with a lot less, when needed. If absolutely necessary. lol
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Old 18.03.2020, 06:53
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Re: Border closure - Covid 19

My travel insurer emailed me to tell me that they will cover any cancellations of travel plans up until the end of April.
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Quick, claim now before they go bankcrupt..
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Re: Border closure - Covid 19

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One of the consequences of the border control are long lines, the A4 in the direction of Germany to Poland currently has a more than 40KM traffic line waiting upfront of the border.

(Source Bild.DE)
Line has grown to over 57KM by now...

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Old 18.03.2020, 10:58
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Line has grown to over 57KM by now...

Damn.
I still don't understand this.
  1. Are these trucks full of goods (going bad?) ?
  2. Are these goods all for Poland? Or are they waiting for them further up?
  3. Are the goods being controlled more than usually? And if so, why?
  4. Or are the truck drivers being controlled more than usually? There's only one - max. two - per truck, so what's the problem?

I saw hardly any PWs in the waiting line, which - to my logic - are the ones who would be controlled meticulously and maybe told to turn around. They won't tell the food trucks to turn around, would they?
Or are the Germans controlling (again) what's leaving their country?
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Old 18.03.2020, 11:05
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I still don't understand this.
  1. Are these trucks full of goods (going bad?) ?
  2. Are these goods all for Poland? Or are they waiting for them further up?
  3. Are the goods being controlled more than usually? And if so, why?
  4. Or are the truck drivers being controlled more than usually? There's only one - max. two - per truck, so what's the problem?

I saw hardly any PWs in the waiting line, which - to my logic - are the ones who would be controlled meticulously and maybe told to turn around. They won't tell the food trucks to turn around, would they?
Or are the Germans controlling (again) what's leaving their country?
Really? Trucks are used to move stuff from one factory to another, not just tomatoes. If the industry is shutting down in large parts of Europe do you suddenly need a whole lot less trucks. So the people who drove components from say Bosch to Audi are suddenly out of work and most likely will be for the coming 8 weeks or so... They will now drive their empty trucks home.
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I still don't understand this.
  1. Are these trucks full of goods (going bad?) ?
  2. Are these goods all for Poland? Or are they waiting for them further up?
  3. Are the goods being controlled more than usually? And if so, why?
  4. Or are the truck drivers being controlled more than usually? There's only one - max. two - per truck, so what's the problem?

I saw hardly any PWs in the waiting line, which - to my logic - are the ones who would be controlled meticulously and maybe told to turn around. They won't tell the food trucks to turn around, would they?
Or are the Germans controlling (again) what's leaving their country?
They are in Germany wanting to go into Poland, and from Poland perhaps much further east.

Some are empty, other have food or diapers or paper rolls for newspapers, or toys for toys stores, parts for factory's, carports, basically everything you see around you has been in a truck once or more times. There are over 6 million trucks in Europe, and some are simply called back due to business closure and the drivers need to get home.

Driver gets medical check and one about his where-abouts, truck gets a check for content. And yes the checks are much more firm. And why wel... More materials are illegal to export, and they could be hiding people in the trucks.

I really fail to see how you cannot understand this situation, do you have any clue at all how much traffic normally drives through those major border-passings? We have not a single border passing in Switzerland that even comes close to that amount of traffic.
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Old 18.03.2020, 11:15
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In 1991 we waited 2 days in a line inside a car to get 5 liters of petrol. There were 2 products available in the supermarket, margarine and sunflower oil. Milk was so scarce that you could only drink it if you had family in the village.
Two products in t' supermarket? Luxury...
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We'll be driving up and crossing into France around Basel later today, so I'll update if there's anything to say then.
To update this as promised, my wife drove up on Monday evening, I had to wait until Tuesday morning. We both crossed the border in Basel on a tiny road leading to Hegenheim, that's almost never manned in normal circumstances, but which still has a physical French customs point about half a km past the actual border line.

So on Monday there was no-one there at all, on Tuesday there was one Swiss Grenzwache car at the French checkpoint, who stopped me, asked me where I was going and why (I'm on Swiss VS plates, BTW) then warned me of the current restrictions in France but let me go through no problem. No passport check, no questions about the cats who were with me. Not sure if their main function at that place was to try and stop people entering CH, or what.

Turning off the motorway about 1km before the A35 border there was no sign of traffic tailing back, although there were very few cars on the road anyway, and the lorries all get taken off via a different route through customs, so I can't infer from that that there were no additional checks there.

So we're now in France for the duration, and I'm really not sure what to do about the dental appointment I've got in Monthey next week. They already rescheduled it, as the practice is now only open for "urgences" which this is, being a broken tooth, but it seems daft to drive all the way down there just for that, and I don't know if the border, in either direction, might be more problematic by then. So I'll maybe find if my old practice here can sort me out in the short term.
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