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Re: SVP trying to end the lock down after the 19th of April.

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Which corresponds exactly what the title say...
Looks like they are doing better, what do the Spanish want? Stay in longer? Start gradually reopening asap?
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What's this got to do with ending the lock down? I think you got the wrong discussion!
No. No I didn't. Take your blinkers off. It ties in directly with the whole thing. Ending the lockdown might make your life easier but it's not in the best interests of all.
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Re: SVP trying to end the lock down after the 19th of April.

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Which corresponds exactly what the title say...
The formal lockdown is continuing. There will be no change for the vast majority. It's a click bait headline
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Re: SVP trying to end the lock down after the 19th of April.

For the first time in my life I have faith in the politicians, in Switzerland and NZ that is.
There will be attempts at a limited opening up, but not in the next week.
Britain and the USA look like they are in deep shit.
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For the first time in my life I have faith in the politicians, in Switzerland and NZ that is.
There will be attempts at a limited opening up, but not in the next week.
Britain and the USA look like they are in deep shit.
Dtto. CH and CZ for me. Looks like Czech MPs decided to not be paid for 6 months to help the economy. Other Czech stores planned to reopen soon, after diy, arts and bike stores. All stotes planned to reopen within a month there. Bars, restos and nightlife maybe in the summer.
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The formal lockdown is continuing. There will be no change for the vast majority. It's a click bait headline
Nothing was said about stopping the lock down. They are easing it by reopening certain factories and industries from Monday, that's what "ease lock down" in the title means.
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Nothing was said about stopping the lock down. They are easing it by reopening certain factories and industries from Monday, that's what "ease lock down" in the title means.
Did they say which? I can imagine it may be similar in other countries later?
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This is one the best, out of reality, version of "Qu'ils mangent de la brioche"* I have heard from someone in real lie. I will translate what you are saying: let's the common people start working, because I don't want to deal with problems that will arrive later. There will be sacrifices, but I am ready to take them as I firmly believe personally I am safe. Dear jorido, if you care so much about other people, I am sure you are and you will be able to help them, directly or with sharing your wealth.



*"Let them eat cake" is the traditional translation of the French phrase "Qu'ils mangent de la brioche", supposedly spoken in the 17th or 18th century by "Marie Antoinette" upon learning that the peasants had no bread.
I'm actually a pretty junior employee. I'm not wealthy, definitely not by Englishforum standards. I am though relatively young and healthy. As such, I'd happily be put at a relatively greater risk of contracting the disease whilst we shield the vulnerable, but hey if I'm Marie Antoinette for daring to broach the concept that herd immunity is the only plausible and reliable way out of this then so be it.

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I'm actually a pretty junior employee. I'm not wealthy at all.
Too late. You shouldn't have mentioned you degree.
I am not wealthy, nobody I know is, really. Assumptions and all the rest.

Herd immunity while tracking contacts and target testing to reduce the risk.
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Too late. You shouldn't have mentioned you degree.
I am not wealthy, nobody I know is, really. Assumptions and all the rest.

Herd immunity while tracking contacts and target testing to reduce the risk.
Lol, well I'm only 5 years out of university. So I'm not very high up in the world of work yet.

Yes. Totally agree. Keep number of cases low by having a smart reopening not a free for all. I don't think anyone wants a return to overloaded intensive care departments. However, the eradication strategy of keeping a total lockdown for months is also best avoided. Sensible middle ground...
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Too late. You shouldn't have mentioned you degree.
It's not the degree*, it's the attitude.....

*I'm actually pretty amused by the firm conviction that some of you seem to entertain - that it's only you who have degrees, and wealth, and whatever people keep bragging about.

But hey, I'll try to be even more tolerant. We really need it.
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Lol, well I'm only 5 years out of university. So I'm not very high up in the world of work yet.

Yes. Totally agree. Keep number of cases low by having a smart reopening not a free for all. I don't think anyone wants a return to overloaded intensive care departments. However, the eradication strategy of keeping a total lockdown for months is also best avoided. Sensible middle ground...
Yes. And some zinc on top

It is very sensible here and will be, I can see total self moderation: people know that even now when you can go for a little solitary walk, there is no space for all to get out on solitary walks, I am in the center of a town. So we let those who really need it (those with kids) go out for a little bit, the rest of us leave in weird hours (early morning or later evening). Even out in the open fresh air people are aware of restrictions and limited capacity. This "take a ticket" mentality works even elsewhere here. It is not robotic, it is realizing that everyone is a potential asymptomatic vector even if we feel healthy. I think you can only have an efficient herd immunity if you have a control over the spread (through testing and targetted tracking). Not until then. So I don't know what Sweden is doing...unless they know that the infection has been there for long and there is no way to mitigate or curb.
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It's not the degree*, it's the attitude.....

*I'm actually pretty amused by the firm conviction that some of you seem to entertain - that it's only you who have degrees, and wealth, and whatever people keep bragging about.

But hey, I'll try to be even more tolerant. We really need it.
I've got positively tens of Swiss Francs in my current account! Loadsa money!
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I've got positively tens of Swiss Francs in my current account! Loadsa money!
It is not money, it's the attitude!



Btw, there is no divide on EF. We are an accepting bunch and enjoy people from all over.
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I think other members would already have worked that out
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In my view she's partially correct. The most affected boroughs in the UK are Kensington and Chelsea and Westminster. There are some poorer people in these boroughs, but most are stonkingly rich. So as far as health is concerned, I think we really are in it all together. There is obviously an urban / rural split but that doesn't go down class lines.

However, there can't be any serious doubt that the misery of unemployment, poverty and social isolation will be felt mostly by those in low paid jobs.

Thats why some of the largely better off people on here want to open up. Not out of selfishness, but we would rather take the hit as the least worst option (as horrible as that is) then put people through the misery and health impacts caused by poverty. There needs to be a collective degree of honesty about the lack of a better option. The lockup forever people are in total denial about their complete lack of a plan and the mess it'd leave the world in.

The urban/rural split often goes down "class lines" : it's a lot easier to live rurally if you have resources. That's true of everywhere else,too.


But that's just it. "We" wouldn't be the ones taking the hit. "They" would. If you can't see the division in that then...

It isn't "lock up forever", it's lockdown for a decent amount of time to try and flatten the curve. You and your Science degree should understand that. Hell, I'm an Arts type and I get it.

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This is one the best, out of reality, version of "Qu'ils mangent de la brioche"* I have heard from someone in real lie. I will translate what you are saying: let's the common people start working, because I don't want to deal with problems that will arrive later. There will be sacrifices, but I am ready to take them as I firmly believe personally I am safe. Dear jorido, if you care so much about other people, I am sure you are and you will be able to help them, directly or with sharing your wealth.



*"Let them eat cake" is the traditional translation of the French phrase "Qu'ils mangent de la brioche", supposedly spoken in the 17th or 18th century by "Marie Antoinette" upon learning that the peasants had no bread.
This absolutely.

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Lol, well I'm only 5 years out of university. So I'm not very high up in the world of work yet.

Yes. Totally agree. Keep number of cases low by having a smart reopening not a free for all. I don't think anyone wants a return to overloaded intensive care departments. However, the eradication strategy of keeping a total lockdown for months is also best avoided. Sensible middle ground...

It's not an eradication strategy. Which part of that is hard to grasp? It's minimizing the impact. It's a given that thousands will be affected. It's just a case of trying to limit the number of thousands.

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It's not the degree*, it's the attitude.....

*I'm actually pretty amused by the firm conviction that some of you seem to entertain - that it's only you who have degrees, and wealth, and whatever people keep bragging about.

But hey, I'll try to be even more tolerant. We really need it.
Oh, gods, this. You can be a solid cockwomble with or without a tertiary education. You can be a knowledgeable critical thinker with or without a tertiary education.



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It is not money, it's the attitude!



Btw, there is no divide on EF. We are an accepting bunch and enjoy people from all over.
Of course there is a divide on EF: those you tolerate and those you believe yourself to be far far better than.

The holier than thou bullshit is spreading.


TLR: the lockdown isn't to eradicate the virus, it's to lessen the impact.

Some folk would rather have money than living loved ones.

There is a massive chip on some shoulders about the collective failure to recognise that their academic success in narrow field makes them an Authority on Everything.


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Did they say which? I can imagine it may be similar in other countries later?
When Spain declared the lockdown mid March schools closed, restaurants and bars and non-essential shops had to close, but factories or offices in general did not have to close. Home office was recommended, but it was not mandatory. People were only allowed to go out to go to work, buy food and essential items and a couple very limited circumstances. You could not go for a walk even on your own in a very remote place, you would be fined if caught. Even a couple living together were initially not allowed to go in the same car (now they can, one at the front, one at the back). Provided they are in one of the allowed circumstances to go out.

Towards end of March they decided to tighten up the rules an declared an "excepcional holiday" up to last Thursday (Friday was holiday) for all non-essential activities, which shall be recovered by the employees. It meant those offices or factories that iniatially did not have to close, now they had to unless deemed essential. Now this measure came to an end, and only restaurants and bars and non-essential shops remain closed as in the beginning. The restrictions to mobility other than going to work / buy food / take care of people in need remain in place.
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Of course there is a divide on EF: those you tolerate and those you believe yourself to be far far better than.

The holier than thou bullshit is spreading.
More rapidly than the coronavirus itself....
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When Spain declared the lockdown mid March schools closed, restaurants and bars and non-essential shops had to close, but factories or offices in general did not have to close. Home office was recommended, but it was not mandatory. People were only allowed to go out to go to work, buy food and essential items and a couple very limited circumstances. You could not go for a walk even on your own in a very remote place, you would be fined if caught. Even a couple living together were initially not allowed to go in the same car (now they can, one at the front, one at the back). Provided they are in one of the allowed circumstances to go out.

Towards end of March they decided to tighten up the rules an declared an "excepcional holiday" up to last Thursday (Friday was holiday) for all non-essential activities, which shall be recovered by the employees. It meant those offices or factories that iniatially did not have to close, now they had to unless deemed essential. Now this measure came to an end, and only restaurants and bars and non-essential shops remain closed as in the beginning. The restrictions to mobility other than going to work / buy food / take care of people in need remain in place.
Thanks for this! This is very thorough. How do people there feel about the rules relaxing or possibly tightening again?
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Re: SVP trying to end the lock down after the 19th of April.

From today's headlines:

"Lifting coronavirus lockdown measures too early could spark a "deadly resurgence" in infections, the World Health Organization chief has warned."


https://www.bbc.com/news/world-52248516


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