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Old 10.06.2020, 18:58
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Re: SBB demands end to working from home due to COVID-19

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Perhaps a better solution would be to require businesses to stagger their working hours. Perhaps 1/3 work 0730-1530; 1/3 work 0830-1630 and 1/3 work 0930-1730 or 20% each start at 0730, 0800, 0830, 0900, 0930 or even 10% at 0730, 0745, 0800, 0815, 0830, 0845, 0900, 0915, 0930 0945.

Same for the schools.

The problem with rush hours is everyone trying to use limited resources at the same time.
I don't think it would work to be honest.. No material difference..

BC (before covid) I already left the house before 6am, my village bus was seat sharing only and packed like sardines by three stops before Nyon station. The 06.30 train to GE was mostly standing only, or finding an odd seat to squeeze in the inside..

If we force more people onto those earlier trains ... Well you know.. After 9am it's much better but then I'd get to work at 10.30 and home at nearly 10pm .. Who wants to get home at 10pm given any choice.

I'll work from home for the foseaable..
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Old 10.06.2020, 19:07
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I don't think it would work to be honest.. No material difference..

BC (before covid) I already left the house before 6am, my village bus was seat sharing only and packed like sardines by three stops before Nyon station. The 06.30 train to GE was mostly standing only, or finding an odd seat to squeeze in the inside..

If we force more people onto those earlier trains ... Well you know.. After 9am it's much better but then I'd get to work at 10.30 and home at nearly 10pm .. Who wants to get home at 10pm given any choice.

I'll work from home for the foseaable..
Actually we would be Ďforcingí more people on later trains. 2/3 of those going for your bus/train would be going for later bus/trains.
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Old 10.06.2020, 19:44
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I think there is always the alternative - to drive.
Maybe in some areas, but not in many cities. There's not enough parking as it is. And those environmentalists will have heart attacks if we all start driving.

It will be interesting to see how this goes. On our train line, prior to Covid-19, the lack of carriages at peak times meant that it was standing room only most of the time. Buses in town were always packed. Trams also often standing room only. Not much distancing possible.
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Re: SBB demands end to working from home due to COVID-19

Prime example of "mass media bombardment". After everything is finished and people can back to living normal lives they find it scary to go to work and travel in a train.
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Old 10.06.2020, 21:46
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Thanks Roegner.

In response to your question, do you think SBB should be telling the government how to manage people's health?

The goods can still move on trains that aren't overcrowded.
They are not telling the government anything. They are voicing their demands/opinions. Normal procedure here, many already did, many soon will too. They got the right to point out their problems.

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A rather short sited observation. I would have to drive over three hours everyday, not to mention the great expense of owning a car in Switzerland. I guess the alternative for me and many others would be to be unemployed.
LOL. So it would cost you money to drive. Therefore it would be better to go on unemployment.
Well, isn't that just what SBB's situation is ..... only they don't sulk and say straight out what they want.
What is it you want? The trains not to run, not having to drive but .... but? Home office being kept up? That you must demand from your company. They can carry on with home office for ever, no matter what the government recommends.

Once the government stops demanding home office it will still not be against it. Not ever.

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Old 10.06.2020, 22:23
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Re: SBB demands end to working from home due to COVID-19

I think riding on the train can be managed, with N95 masks.

BUT: in the office, you're together with all the other people again, who might or might not have caught something in the train-ride a few days ago....

So, if one must ride on the train/bus when it's packed:

- supplement zinc and vitamin D at the maximum level recommended
- catch enough sleep, at all cost
- drink enough during the day, use an app if necessary
- N95 mask
- one-time use gloves on public transport (keep a stash at work)
- don't use your phone on public transport and disinfect it regularly
- don't eat or drink on public transport
- don't touch your face, don't put on makeup on the train
- regularly disinfect your keyboard, your mouse and your desk (if you "work" at a computer)

BTW: if you work in a large company with a canteen, how is eating there managed these days? Everything back to normal?

We don't really have a protocol for coming back to work at my job. You can work at the office and some do. But most people work from home, without any loss of productivity (the increased overhead in communications outweighed by less distractions, mostly).

There's no way everybody currently coming in by train to e.g. Zurich can suddenly switch to driving his/her car. We're talking about a couple of tens of thousands of parking-spaces here.

Currently, the number of new cases is very low. But we'll see how it develops.

My guess is that instead of a new shutdown in Autumn and Winter, we'll see very strict mandates for masks once the R0 approaches or breaches the 1.0 mark again. That should do it.

No doubt, SBB is already planning for this (they need more people already at the entrances to check passengers wear a mask before they get on a train).
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Old 10.06.2020, 22:32
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...The rest of the risk is up to us to manage.
I'm agree. Personal responsibility has a role.

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Prime example of "mass media bombardment". After everything is finished and people can back to living normal lives they find it scary to go to work and travel in a train.
That's not even the half of it. I have friends who are literally terrified they will catch the virus and die. One is wearing an N95 mask in the house! Another has a son who has gone into full-blown depression and won't leave the house even though schools are open again. The idea I go grocery shopping once a week or rode the train to the doctor is mind-blowing for them.

I think the phrase infodemic at least as apt now as it was a few months ago, maybe more.
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Old 10.06.2020, 22:43
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The controllers can't even check if we have a ticket never mind check if we're wearing a mask.
I was controlled last Friday on the train..... (and then again on the bus, but that is ZVV).
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I'm agree. Personal responsibility has a role.



That's not even the half of it. I have friends who are literally terrified they will catch the virus and die. One is wearing an N95 mask in the house! Another has a son who has gone into full-blown depression and won't leave the house even though schools are open again. The idea I go grocery shopping once a week or rode the train to the doctor is mind-blowing for them.

I think the phrase infodemic at least as apt now as it was a few months ago, maybe more.
Hmmm... I think your friends need to read more. Switzerland was just cited as the safest place for Covid infections:

https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/switzer...nking/45820836

Let's think rationally here. I have been walking my dog the last two and a half months and the numbers on the streets in Zurich have trebled... And I am being conservative here. Most do not wear masks and there is zero social distancing on the streets and the trams are full.

Either this virus has run its course or many have already caught this virus which is why there has not been a spike. Just my thoughts...
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Old 10.06.2020, 22:51
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Hmmm... I think your friends need to read more. Switzerland was just cited as the safest place for Covid infections:

https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/switzer...nking/45820836...
Maybe that's why they're paranoid - I'm in safe little Swiss and most of them are in Trumpland.

But I do have some fearful friends here, who are more concerned about how not to catch the virus and inadvertently pass on to someone vulnerable that's close to them. That's a legit fear, I think.
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.....Let's think rationally here........
That's just it, the people 3Wishes mentioned can not think rational. And most likely all reasoning will not get them out of their panic.

There will be new cases for psychologist, no doubt. Well, not new maybe but more "fear-cases" to treat.
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Maybe that's why they're paranoid - I'm in safe little Swiss and most of them are in Trumpland.

But I do have some fearful friends here, who are more concerned about how not to catch the virus and inadvertently pass on to someone vulnerable that's close to them. That's a legit fear, I think.
If no mitigating conditions... they should try and catch the virus! This virus will not disappear and a vaccine is a long shot!

I should add it maybe easier to adopt this approach with no pre-existing conditions and an O+ blood type
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Old 10.06.2020, 23:03
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I was controlled last Friday on the train..... (and then again on the bus, but that is ZVV).
Controlled?

I get checked on IR trains daily, too.
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Re: SBB demands end to working from home due to COVID-19

If my workplace demanded I come in, I'd just drive. There's parking nearby for 30chf per day. It's worth it in my book.
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If no mitigating conditions... they should try and catch the virus! This virus will not disappear and a vaccine is a long shot!

I should add it maybe easier to adopt this approach with no pre-existing conditions and an O+ blood type
Exactly. Iím no chicken... I have severe asthma. 3 hours everyday on a crowded train and then on to a busy office just puts me at a rather high rate of exposure. Iím going out there and still living my life, but I donít want to expose myself that much.
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Hmmm... I think your friends need to read more. Switzerland was just cited as the safest place for Covid infections:

https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/switzer...nking/45820836

Let's think rationally here. I have been walking my dog the last two and a half months and the numbers on the streets in Zurich have trebled... And I am being conservative here. Most do not wear masks and there is zero social distancing on the streets and the trams are full.

Either this virus has run its course or many have already caught this virus which is why there has not been a spike. Just my thoughts...
I would have thought a certain country that puts out reliable numbers and reports zero Covid cases might be safer than Switzerland:

Is the Swiss aversion to masks related to the association of masks with asian tourists ?

It would be reasonable to assume that many have been infected and have a short term immunity (not proven, just a hypothesis). The problem is no one knows how long this immunity would/will last - if short term, combined with non-observance of health measures and a second wave is guaranteed.

As for having run its course. As I understand it, Covid-19 is different from SARS and MERS and is likely to be around a lot longer.

As for the SBB
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Old 11.06.2020, 08:26
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Prime example of "mass media bombardment". After everything is finished and people can back to living normal lives they find it scary to go to work and travel in a train.
I've never been the least bit concerned about catching the virus..As a family we certainly haven't wrapped ourselves up and hidden.. But I've discovered that working from home works just fine so if I don't need to take public transport then I won't.


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Exactly. Iím no chicken... I have severe asthma. 3 hours everyday on a crowded train and then on to a busy office just puts me at a rather high rate of exposure. Iím going out there and still living my life, but I donít want to expose myself that much.
I'm 3 hours too.. Bus>Train>Tram .. Taking the car would take longer and probably cost more in parking and the parking would be further away than the tram stop.
For some of us public transport is the only way but poses that extra risk, especially for those at extra risk.

Thankfully my company has taken the view that those who can should continue indefinitely to work from home.. Those who can't may come in to a sterile-ish office and those who feel they shouldn't, can remain home even if work is limited.
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Lots if jobs depend on the CFF, including transport of goods.
From what I hear, Romande Energie is about to demand that people their lights on at night and that McDonalds is demanding all families are required to have one sit in family meal per month at their nearest restaurant.
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https://www.thelocal.ch/20200610/sbb...senger-numbers

I can't believe a well funded company would so openly ask for the government to put people's health at risk in order to boost their business. Well, maybe I should. They refused to clean their trains more at the start of the pandemic, they still refuse to take additional needed measures and now this. I really wish I didn't have to use them everyday once this crisis is completely over. They won't add additional trains to avoid crowds, they won't demand masks be worn (just recommend), nor will they take any measures to ensure better safety for their customers and employees. Really disappointed to hear this.
And the boss of SBB earns 1,000,000 a year. And travels free in SBB!
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And the boss of SBB ..... And travels free in SBB!
So do many other SBB employees (and I think you have to declare that as income). Lots of other jobs have specific perks........ like flying very cheaply if you work for an airline.
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