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Old 11.06.2020, 09:27
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Re: SBB demands end to working from home due to COVID-19

Honestly I hope some of the working from culture is here to stay. I acknowledge it won't work for everybody, but the pandemic has proved that remote work is an option for many office jobs.

In an ideal world office workers themselves could decide if they prefer the social environment an office provides or the additional time savings of working from home. In any event, the SBB should be the last entity to have a say here.
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Old 11.06.2020, 09:28
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From what I hear, Romande Energie is about to demand that people their lights on at night and that McDonalds is demanding all families are required to have one sit in family meal per month at their nearest restaurant.
SRF has already managed to achieve that everybody has to buy their TV and radio subscription.

So if that's a precedent to be followed up, here we go.
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Old 11.06.2020, 09:34
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And the boss of SBB earns 1,000,000 a year. And travels free in SBB!
Well, at least he doesn't get any stock options.

Many SBB employees get free travel. Employees of SWISS get highly discounted tickets on SWISS and other airlines. Often they just have to pay the taxes.
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Old 11.06.2020, 10:08
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Many SBB employees get free travel.
The train attendants deserve it and more.

By chance, anyone take the Bern-Zurich route recently during rush hour? How packed are the trains?
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From what I hear, Romande Energie is about to demand that people their lights on at night and that McDonalds is demanding all families are required to have one sit in family meal per month at their nearest restaurant.
Source?
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Old 11.06.2020, 10:33
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http://www.sarcasm.ch/2020-06-09/romande-energie

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Old 11.06.2020, 11:46
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I drive one hour/day, train would be three (bus-train-bus, repeat for the return trip).

Owning a car (or four) is NOT expensive.

Tom

Hey Tom!

Got enough traffic on the roads.

Please don't let all know how cheap it is to drive.
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Hey Tom!

Got enough traffic on the roads.

Please don't let all know how cheap it is to drive.
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No traffic, it is always in the opposite direction for me!

And free parking at work.

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Re: SBB demands end to working from home due to COVID-19

Had a nice chat with my boss this morning. She recently had a family member come down with the virus and it has shaken her.

She proposed that I work from home at least until August. I am very grateful as everyone else is already back in the office except me. I know most of my colleagues won't understand, it may affect my career, but the boss is supportive and I'm glad. (And lucky!)
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Old 11.06.2020, 14:33
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From what I hear, Romande Energie is about to demand that people their lights on at night and that McDonalds is demanding all families are required to have one sit in family meal per month at their nearest restaurant.
Have you tried their chocolate sauce flurries? They're to die for... (which I will if I keep buying them.)
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Honestly I hope some of the working from culture is here to stay. I acknowledge it won't work for everybody, but the pandemic has proved that remote work is an option for many office jobs.

In an ideal world office workers themselves could decide if they prefer the social environment an office provides or the additional time savings of working from home.
Becareful what you wish for...

WFH could be a double edged sword. Many companies are suddenly excited about the cost savings potential - meaning that costs of rent, equipment, utlilties, are being shifted to employees, even salary reductions and change of status are no longer taboo discussions.

The Uber-ization of all sorts of professional work is looming. It was coming anyway, but the pandemic and resulting success of WFH probably moved the timeline.

But on a more cheery note, let's get back to the crowded SBB...
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Old 11.06.2020, 14:39
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Re: SBB demands end to working from home due to COVID-19

I could work at home but my motivation for ideas often lies in those brief conversations held at coffee breaks or chance meetings in the hall.
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Old 11.06.2020, 14:59
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Perhaps a better solution would be to require businesses to stagger their working hours. Perhaps 1/3 work 0730-1530; 1/3 work 0830-1630 and 1/3 work 0930-1730 or 20% each start at 0730, 0800, 0830, 0900, 0930 or even 10% at 0730, 0745, 0800, 0815, 0830, 0845, 0900, 0915, 0930 0945.

Same for the schools.

The problem with rush hours is everyone trying to use limited resources at the same time.
Many companies already do offer a lot of flexibility. For example where I work there are certain "block times" that presence is mandatory but about one third of required working hours are outside of that so it's up to every individual to decide if they want to start earlier or stay on later, or a mix of the two.

Many people come in or leave when they do, not because the company mandates it, but because of other responsibilities outside the company's control. These are often connected to children's school schedules.
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Had a nice chat with my boss this morning. She recently had a family member come down with the virus and it has shaken her.

She proposed that I work from home at least until August. I am very grateful as everyone else is already back in the office except me. I know most of my colleagues won't understand, it may affect my career, but the boss is supportive and I'm glad. (And lucky!)



No surprise. It's easy to see the the 1675 passed away persons here in Switzerland as a statistic (1675/8m), but from all I have read and seen, having it had yourself or seen it yourself no somebody close to you makes it very hard to forget or repress.


And we haven't even begun to explore and describe the long-term impact on people who have survived it.
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https://www.thelocal.ch/20200610/sbb...senger-numbers

I can't believe a well funded company would so openly ask for the government to put people's health at risk in order to boost their business. Well, maybe I should. They refused to clean their trains more at the start of the pandemic, they still refuse to take additional needed measures and now this. I really wish I didn't have to use them everyday once this crisis is completely over. They won't add additional trains to avoid crowds, they won't demand masks be worn (just recommend), nor will they take any measures to ensure better safety for their customers and employees. Really disappointed to hear this.
The real villains of this pandemic are the airlines, a cousin of the railways. They should shutdown their operations far quicker than they did. Had they done so than China would have been able to contain this thing.
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Old 14.06.2020, 09:06
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No surprise. It's easy to see the the 1675 passed away persons here in Switzerland as a statistic (1675/8m), but from all I have read and seen, having it had yourself or seen it yourself no somebody close to you makes it very hard to forget or repress.


And we haven't even begun to explore and describe the long-term impact on people who have survived it.
1675 corona victims in Switzerland VS

-2500 seasonal flu victims in 2015
-500 deaths due to heatwave also in 2015
-2649 accident related deaths in 2015
-1066 suicide victims also in 2015

etc etc from all the 67k deaths in 2015

I'd say the real long term impact will be those 60B (which for sure will jump to double when all things settle) wiped from the economy in the 2 months playing lock down. I personally know many people who had the covid and absolutely everybody is worried about their jobs and livelihoods
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Old 14.06.2020, 11:58
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Re: SBB demands end to working from home due to COVID-19

On the other side, given that the infection rate was growing exponentially, without confinement the death toll could have been higher. In the UK someone estimated that imposing lockdown one week early would have saved around 20.000 lives.

It's a bit of a paradox: if confinement works and few people die, it's more difficult to see the need for it.

IMHO Switzerland found a better compromise compared to neighboring countries like Italy, e.g. confinement was not so severe (in Italy it was FORBIDDEN to go out, with fines) and construction works could continue. It seems that confining early gives you the option to confine less, mitigating the economic impact.

I'm curious to see how Sweden will come out of the crisis, they chose to confine way less and so far it looks like it's worse than in neighboring countries but still far from extreme levels.
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The real villains of this pandemic are the airlines, a cousin of the railways. They should shutdown their operations far quicker than they did. Had they done so than China would have been able to contain this thing.
Not the airlines responsibility, it was the government’s job to close the borders. The airlines cannot make that kind of decision, even if they wanted to.
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...and absolutely everybody is worried about their jobs and livelihoods
Worried in the sense of staycations instead of flying 5-10 hours for summer vacations?
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Many companies are suddenly excited about the cost savings potential - meaning that costs of rent, equipment, utlilties, are being shifted to employees
If they *demand* WFH from their employees, the companies should bear part of those rent/utility/equipment costs - at least according to those recent writings in CH, no?
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