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A conspiracy theory

A conspiracy theory. All events, people, places are entirely fictional...

Switzerland is as you know the heart of conspiracy theories so I thought I would post one here.

Imagine, there is world pandemic happening, millions of people are dying, many many more are seriously ill. The Black and Asian communities have been hit hardest, nobody understands quite why.

A man called Jules, one of the richest men in the world comes into the picture. A singular person who cares about nothing else beyond his fortune and his daughter.

But Jules had a secret, a secret very few knew. As a younger man he had many of people to help him manage his life, both his private and personal lives. It made sense, he had the money but not the time.

One of those people, just one was black... Jules wasn't racist at that point, he judged people by the skills not the colour of their skin. His driver Juke was black, he seemed very good at his job. He was good at his job.

It was with Juke and he had an experience more challenging than he could have ever have imagined. Juke you see was a drug addict, a very bad habit he had become very good at. A habit he would invite Julia, Jules's daughter to take part in.

She had money too, her father made sure she had everything. She was very self assured and like her father trusted Juke, why shouldn't she, he trusted him ... it was a safe.

But that night things had gone wrong. Juke supplier had become too greedy and mixed up his sources.. he had sold Juke a very bad batch of drugs. Juke had trusted him and passed some on to Julia. Julia has shared them with her friends and some of her friends had died.

The police got involved, it was mess. Jules didn't want the publicity. He needed to protect his daughter, he needed to protect his financial interests.

He needed too to teach Juke and his "friends" a lesson. A lesson they would never forget. No Jules was his own man, and he wanted more, he wanted Juke and all his friends dead. He became racist over night.

But how do you kill someone. Jules came up with a plan, a very nasty plan. He was as you could imagine a very astute player. He could read people and had watched the police officers he had to deal with while cleaning up the mess.

One in particular hated black people, hated. This was his man. He arranged to meet John in a bar that night, he took with him one million $ in cash. A lot of money for most people. It was a sweetener to a deal, to a revenge deal unlike any in history. It was small change to Jules.

John needed to kill a black guy. It didn't matter who he killed. Jules didn't care, he was baying for blood. But more that; it it had to be in public. No he wasn't looking for a vigilante; to provide money for guns, more crime. No he needed a public slaying.

He promised John he would get and pay for this lawyer. He would get the best defence money could buy and of course a bonus for every additional death. Jules wanted collateral damage. Lots of collateral damage. He was a business man, and this was business.

John took the money. Part of him knew it was wrong, but somehow he felt he was safe with this character Jules behind him and all this money. Jules convinced him to go along with his plan, he played him like a musical instrument.

John had no chance. He was police officer. He had been beaten up more than once by black youths in his time. He had been injured and wanted revenge too.

John knew too Jules was, very very rich. He had all details on file. He knew his background. He thought he was the one in control here. He would walk free, sure he would lose his job, but he had 1$m in back pocket now and a lot more to come...

A few weeks past before John got his chance. He arrested a black man who was trying to buy something in a shop with money that they claimed was counterfeit. Jacob was known to John and his colleagues, he had a record and was the ideal suspect... Just the sort of man Jules needed as bait.

John and his colleagues struggled to bring Jacob down. He had been a black athlete, that had fallen on hard times. He was a family man who was struggling to make ends meet in this virus times as it had become known. The last few months had been very difficult. He couldn't have been more different from Jules in almost every way.

As John held down he started to choke. In the back of John's mind the 1m$ bounty was hanging just there for the taking. He kept telling himself he would get away with this. A young girl saw what was happening, she could hear Jacob struggling for air.

She screamed at the police officer with arm around his neck. She wanted to go and stop him, but dared not intervene physically, all the police officers were armed and she had nothing. She could do little more than witness the injustice. She looked around, nobody dare stop these guys.

Jacob died on the that spot, that day, that hour, that minute. He died on camera. A film that would be uploaded to youtube and cause an outcry the world had never seen before.

The outcry was almost instantaneous with crowds of people out on the streets. They arrested John and his colleagues... all were accused of murder.

Jules watched from afar. He had disappeared the moment the news broke, taking his daughter with him. It was working like clockwork. He wasn't going to take any chances. He watched riots that followed in the coming days. He said nothing to his daughter, to his advisers, to anyone. They laid low on the Island he had purchased for himself and his family.

Jules knew that in a few days, hundreds of those involved in the demonstrations would start to show symptoms of the theVirus. That it would spread across this group of activists within days, within hours. Within two weeks they too would be silenced, not by the police, by any authority nobody had any hand in. No they would be killed by theVirus.

It was the perfect crime, a crime like no other. He would have his revenge. He had committed the ultimate crime, one in which nobody would suspect or accuse him, and Juke and his friends would get their come uppance.
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Old 14.06.2020, 11:54
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A conspiracy theory. All events, people, places are entirely fictional...

Switzerland is as you know the heart of conspiracy theories so I thought I would post one here.
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Conspiracy theories are generally interesting when they are plausible, in that they are supported by some evidence or can be presented as supporting ulterior interests or particular narrative, involve scheming at a high level within government or security services, and/or involving multiple agencies.

Further, they must have a good chance of later becoming proven to be fact. Examples of such would be the Skripal hoax, where Skripal participated in an MI6 plot to discredit Russia and was rewarded by a new identity and income and given a safe house in New Zealand for himself and his daughter. Or the Democrat initiated Russiagate hoax (but also with MI6 fingerprints all over it) which ruined 3 years of Trump's presidency. Or the World Trade Center controlled demolition designed as a pretext for initiating a series of wars in the Middle East.

I'm afraid I can't see that your conspiracy theory would sustain itself for very long. It comes close to the TL;DR category. But, having said that, that would not necessarily preclude it from getting into Zerohedge.

Further, it would likely be drowned out by the absurd conspiracy theories being promoted in Western political circles about the origins of the "virus", which incidentally leaked out of Fort Detrick, Maryland and those responsible, instead of coming clean, hatched a plot to dump the virus on the doorstep of a Chinese laboratory during the Wuham games, to allow the blame to pass elsewhere. Try a Google search to substantiate it. It won't work of course, because Google now actively suppress, using a special ranking system, search results which reflect negatively on the USA or positively on China.

One more thing. Switzerland is not the heart of conspiracy theories.
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I'm afraid I can't see that your conspiracy theory would sustain itself for very long. It comes close to the TL;DR category.
Nope, not close at all, but waaay over the borderline.

I did quickly scroll through to the end, assuming it was a joke and looking for the punchline, but was disappointed to not find one.
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Further, they must have a good chance of later becoming proven to be fact.
This is absolutely not true.

A very much spoken about conspiracy theory is that Nasa and governments are making us believe that Earth is spherical while the conspiracists believe it is flat, now everybody with a bit of common sense knows that the chance of this being proven is absolutely zero.
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This is absolutely not true.

A very much spoken about conspiracy theory is that Nasa and governments are making us believe that Earth is spherical while the conspiracists believe it is flat, now everybody with a bit of common sense knows that the chance of this being proven is absolutely zero.
That is a classic example of a one time conspiracy theory that has proven later to be fact.
What was once dubbed a conspiracy theory authored by Galileo and a clique of star watchers, namely that the world is spherical, has been now been shown to have a substantial body of evidence supporting it. I don't believe the "flat earthers" consider themselves to be the victims of a conspiracy to mislead them. Maybe at best victims of flawed scientific teachings.
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What was once dubbed a conspiracy theory authored by Galileo and a clique of star watchers, namely that the world is spherical, has been now been shown to have a substantial body of evidence supporting it.
Rubbish. The earth was known to be roughly spherical way back in ancient Greek times, and virtually nobody ever disputed it. Galileo's more controversial ideas were based around the solar system model, which was not fully understood, and which met some resistance, but even then nobody thought of it as any sort of conspiracy.

In fact what you're referencing is a conspiracy belief in reverse, or in retrospect, the idea that most people thought the earth was flat and that there was a conspiracy among the elite to keep them from knowing the truth.
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That is a classic example of a one time conspiracy theory that has proven later to be fact.
What was once dubbed a conspiracy theory authored by Galileo and a clique of star watchers, namely that the world is spherical, has been now been shown to have a substantial body of evidence supporting it. I don't believe the "flat earthers" consider themselves to be the victims of a conspiracy to mislead them. Maybe at best victims of flawed scientific teachings.
Yeah, you might want to read up before you post more about this subject...
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Re: A conspiracy theory

For some people, any hard-to-believe or new fact is a conspiracy theory.

Then there are those who think for themselves , they surely must be either "deniers" or conspirationalists.

What happened with just simple, private thinking, going through plausible scenarios...Not sure why the emphasis on constant outside validation or judgement. It feels like people must constantly feel like prophets of sorts or a brand.
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.............In fact what you're referencing is a conspiracy belief in reverse, or in retrospect, the idea that most people thought the earth was flat and that there was a conspiracy among the elite to keep them from knowing the truth.
The church. (not to be confused with religion )
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In fact what you're referencing is a conspiracy belief in reverse, or in retrospect, the idea that most people thought the earth was flat and that there was a conspiracy among the elite to keep them from knowing the truth.
The church. (not to be confused with religion )
Given that it was all invented several centuries later, it's pretty much pointless to discuss who it was that wasn't doing it, don't you think?

But yes, one of the reasons the idea (about round-earth-denial) was later touted was to cast aspersions on established religions, by inventing this conspiracy they were supposed to be a part of.
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That is a classic example of a one time conspiracy theory that has proven later to be fact.
What was once dubbed a conspiracy theory authored by Galileo and a clique of star watchers, namely that the world is spherical, has been now been shown to have a substantial body of evidence supporting it. I don't believe the "flat earthers" consider themselves to be the victims of a conspiracy to mislead them. Maybe at best victims of flawed scientific teachings.
Oh dear. The church at the time of Galileo accepted that the world was spherical. The bit where he overstepped the mark (as did Copernicus) was a suggestion that the geocentric theory of the universe wasn't correct.

Flat earth was never a church doctrine.
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Has there at any time since the bronze age been a society who really thought that the earth was flat?
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Has there at any time since the bronze age been a society who really thought that the earth was flat?
Of course: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modern...arth_societies . These groups have also maintained valiant attempts to argue against the accepted narrative. Whether they are to be taken seriously (by the main stream) or not, is another matter.

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What was once dubbed a conspiracy theory authored by Galileo and a clique of star watchers, namely that the world is spherical, has been now been shown to have a substantial body of evidence supporting it. I don't believe the "flat earthers" consider themselves to be the victims of a conspiracy to mislead them. Maybe at best victims of flawed scientific teachings.
Galileo was famous for his dabblings in the mechanics of the solar system, as correctly pointed out by @Ace & Co., and not as I incorrectly said, the geometry of the Earth which, let's face it, is nevertheless a little bit flat at the poles.

Of course, the ancients knew all about the shape of the Earth. Here it is in Isiah 40:22 (Bible: King James Version)
It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:
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Voilà !

Seriously national political arguments are based on conspiracy theories!!! Progressive and extreme right Party members, Brazilian president followers, make mess and menaces against the democratic state hold by Federal Constitution of Brazil.

Here, the "political climate" is verrryyy hot!!!

Everything posted in this thread is truly happening in here. Those theories spread much more than the virus and followers come here, in the capital, to attack democratic institutions every weekend. as well as OMS, ONGs, Hospitals, It's so hard for me and many citizens all of it in middle of a pandemy.



Really, I'm so tired all of those theories and the large of deaths in due to the pandemy.





I studied so much, I post-graduate to be a good professional, I'm a teacher in public school, I work hardly to give opportunities to many students to change this country to the better for them. I paid high taxes. Now I see a president don't care about his nation: Education, Health, Transport, Basic Sanitation, Porverty reduction, so on.



Everybody here, as me, what's important for a nation in this moment so delicate.
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Surprise, surprise

Cases of coronvirus is surging in the US. I posted this story, when 10 days ago, just a co-incidence or one is linked to the other.
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