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Old 27.09.2020, 17:01
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Old 27.09.2020, 17:12
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Only 38.3% in favour.

Regretfully 50.1% in favour of expensive toys. 6billion down the toilet.

The wolves get to live another day, papas get quality time with their newborns, but no tax breaks.
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Old 27.09.2020, 17:34
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The Röschtigraben is alive and well though !
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Old 27.09.2020, 17:40
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Re: CH - EU agreemeent on immigration at stake.

The vote would have failed the first time around if the SVP had been honest and said it would impact the EU agreement.

The ongoing Brexit shambles has demonstrated exactly how a Govt. should not handle this type of divorce.
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Old 27.09.2020, 17:51
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Re: CH - EU agreemeent on immigration at stake.

Actually I think the UDC needs to learn that the Swiss people actually like the system of government here which encourages consensus building. Going it alone seldom is effective. Their solution was just too dramatic for the perceived problem.

I’m sure this issue will return in the next years.
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The Röschtigraben is alive and well though !
How so? AI, SZ, GL and TI were the only Yes votes.
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Old 27.09.2020, 18:02
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How so? AI, SZ, GL and TI were the only Yes votes.
I think she means in general across all five votes today. There is a clear difference in voting pattern between the two regions.
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Re: CH - EU agreemeent on immigration at stake.

Yes, but just look at a colour map to clearly see the difference.
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Old 27.09.2020, 18:24
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Yes, but just look at a colour map to clearly see the difference.
The only clear Röstigraben-style divide I can see is on the Fighter Jet vote.
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Old 27.09.2020, 19:05
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The only clear Röstigraben-style divide I can see is on the Fighter Jet vote.
Three out of the five votes show a clear difference if you look at the maps.
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Old 27.09.2020, 19:30
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Re: CH - EU agreemeent on immigration at stake.

Interesting results:

Very clear on PFZ.

The tax vote is a bit strange, will come back soon in a different form - I am sure that most people in principle would support higher tax relief for families, if the proposal is balanced.

The wolf thing is a total joke. Urban/suburban voters who have seen wolves (and their cute little puppies) only in documentaries on TV deciding on something they are totally unaffected by. I would be pissed off if I was an Oberlander.

Jets: An annoying outcome. I mean I see the point that a country needs defense forces, but if the Chinese are coming these 30 planes will not save us.

Papiurlaub: About time.

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Old 27.09.2020, 19:40
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How so? AI, SZ, GL and TI were the only Yes votes.
At least we had the balls to vote correctly!

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Old 27.09.2020, 19:51
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At least we had the balls to vote correctly!

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And which half of "we" are you referring to?
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Old 27.09.2020, 20:08
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And which half of "we" are you referring to?
Ticino, everything is different down there.
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Old 27.09.2020, 20:11
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Ticino, everything is different down there.
Well, that I get. But except for the Papiurlaub the Ticino vote is within 47/53 on all issues.
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Old 27.09.2020, 20:11
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ticino, everything is different so much better down there.
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Old 27.09.2020, 20:22
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The tax vote is a bit strange, will come back soon in a different form - I am sure that most people in principle would support higher tax relief for families, if the proposal is balanced.
No doubt, but we need something the helps the low wage earners, not the middle to upper middle class.
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Old 28.09.2020, 08:39
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I'm neither glad nor disappointed because of the vote results, however, I was a bit worried: how did st2lemans and a few others here take it?
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Old 28.09.2020, 08:58
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Actually I think the UDC needs to learn that the Swiss people actually like the system of government here which encourages consensus building. Going it alone seldom is effective. Their solution was just too dramatic for the perceived problem.

I’m sure this issue will return in the next years.
The percentage of people who voted yes was far above , maybe double , the share of votes they can realistically get in an election.

So to me that does sound like some sort of a consensus that voters of other parties agree with .

It shows the SVP of old is back in business .

In my opinion this is all the SVP needs right now . All the rhetoric directed against them could equally be directed at the discontents in other parties . Politics is about habit building and if people build a habit of voting with the SVP even if they don’t vote for the SVP, this is extra leverage .
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Old 28.09.2020, 09:26
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The vote would have failed the first time around if the SVP had been honest and said it would impact the EU agreement
Or if those against it hadn't been so complacent.

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No doubt, but we need something the helps the low wage earners, not the middle to upper middle class.
Speaking as a member of the middle to upper middle class, I'm not sure I agree.
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