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Old 06.09.2020, 18:46
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Re: (EU)-Usländers!

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I've literally been at dinner tables where relatives were dissing Ausländer whilst I was sat right there. Major cognitive dissonance.
That's unfortunate. But it also happens the other way round, was actually quite common at my old workplace with high share of immigrants in the workforce.
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Old 06.09.2020, 18:58
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You're doing it all wrong Brian. You're meant to move to CH and reap all the benefits of living in a less multicultural/PC country and then virtue signal about how good all that "liberal" BS is*

*whilst not actually having to deal with it yourself, of course.
I have a bit of sympathy with that view as it applies to socialism / taxation but not when it comes to "keeping the Muslims out".

For one, the local kebab house is the only place on Frick where you can get reasonably priced food that isn't totally bland.

If we go back to thinking about London, where Brian moved from imho the problem is not "the Muslims" but the legions of young (mostly white) people who come in every year and then leave 10-20 years later when they have kids resulting in the total hollowing out of communities and the draining of talent from the rest of the country. The place feels very ethereal. That combined with the British attitude of hiring kids and screwing them on pay so that they leave in a couple of years rather than building and maintaining a long term workforce.

I too moved from London and would never move back. I think it has very serious structural problems.

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Old 06.09.2020, 19:47
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I've literally been at dinner tables where relatives were dissing Ausländer whilst I was sat right there. Major cognitive dissonance.
That is life....

- I've had lunch with management at well know telecoms company, where they were complaining about foreigners.... they were nice enough to point out it did not apply to me because I was 'really one of them'...

- I was regularly invited to client meetings over our team lead because I understand dialect and their boss did not want to speak to our team lead because he'd have to speak High German... (they could both speak perfect English, but that was not going to happen)

You will hear a lot of stuff when you understand dialect that would not otherwise come out.
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You will hear a lot of stuff when you understand dialect that would not otherwise come out.
I was as a job interview in Svizzera Interna where the HR person was German, and the rest Swiss, and it annoyed me to no end to hear her high German!

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Old 06.09.2020, 20:15
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Re: CH - EU agreemeent on immigration at stake.

Got a biker friend from Einsiedeln.

He doesn't give a crap that my accent sucks, all he cares about is that he can speak to me in his home lingo, and that I understand it, one of two people in our group who do.

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Screw the EU!

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Screw the EU!

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On the beers with the bikers tonight Tom?
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Old 06.09.2020, 20:59
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On the beers with the bikers tonight Tom?
Yesterday, tonight home.

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I have a bit of sympathy with that view as it applies to socialism / taxation but not when it comes to "keeping the Muslims out".
I chose to interpret it as more of an argument for limited, skilled immigration.

Either way the hypocrisy is glaring.
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I chose to interpret it as more of an argument for limited, skilled immigration.
So you expect the Swiss to clean your sewers, pick up your weekly rubbish, drive your buses/trams, work in the shops, provide your health care?

Dream on ...
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So you expect the Swiss to clean your sewers, pick up your weekly rubbish, drive your buses/trams, work in the shops, provide your health care?
They do, at least around here.

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Old 07.09.2020, 11:49
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Re: CH - EU agreemeent on immigration at stake.

Just filled in my voting form, Yes, No, No, No, No, No.

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- I've had lunch with management at well know telecoms company, where they were complaining about foreigners.... they were nice enough to point out it did not apply to me because I was 'really one of them'...
many many years ago, I was out celebrating some work acheivement with some work colleagues, some of whom were from other departmants and I didn't know very well.

One of the guys in the party was an Italian who was from a different department and I think nobody else in the group knew him previously. Maybe we'd said hi in the corridor but we didn't really know him. He was having a good time and after a few beers he was cracking one funny joke after the other and imitating all sorts of Swiss dialects and cantonal mannerisms. It probably wouldn't have been particularly funny had we been dry sober but after a few beers everybody was in stiches laughing.

Later one of the older guys in the group said, it's unusual Ausländer have a sense of humour. Another one contradicted him, Italians aren't really Ausländer.
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Old 07.09.2020, 12:22
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Just filled in my voting form, Yes, No, No, No, No, No.

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They do, at least around here.

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Provide your healthcare? In Ticino it's about 60% Italian staffed.
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So you expect the Swiss to clean your sewers, pick up your weekly rubbish, drive your buses/trams, work in the shops, provide your health care?

Dream on ...
I expect people who do that type of work to receive a fair wage.

If only Ausländer are interested in that work, and especially the type of Ausländer who will take any job as otherwise they are going to be kicked out of the country, then this suggestes to me that the situation has an exploitative aspect.
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A funny topic about auslanders. Have you noticed that Swiss guys see foreign wives as cool? A bit fun marrying auslanders while voting to keep auslanders out?
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A funny topic about auslanders. Have you noticed that Swiss guys see foreign wives as cool? A bit fun marrying auslanders while voting to keep auslanders out?
Have I stumbled into the Trump thread again? Sorry my mistake, as you were.
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Re: CH - EU agreemeent on immigration at stake.

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My doctor is Swiss, as are his staff.

The doctor who has an office in our building is Swiss, as are her staff.

My wife's doctors are Swiss, as are his staff.

My dentist is Swiss, as are his staff.

The late father of my daughter's best friend was a sewer cleaner, he was Swiss.

My daughter's FIL was a former head doctor at the Civico in Lugano, he is also Swiss.

My former surgeon, since retired, is Swiss, as was his staff.

Out of almost 30k health-care workers in Ticino, only 4k are cross-border workers.

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One No away from becoming a true Eidgenoss!
Simple, I vote opposite of what the Feds suggest!

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