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View Poll Results: Is the initiative a good idea
Yes, I am in favour 14 31.82%
No, I am against 20 45.45%
Can’t make up my mind 4 9.09%
The what ? 6 13.64%
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Old 05.11.2020, 01:27
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Re: Upcoming vote , komzernverantwortungsinitiative [Responsible Business Initiative]

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Don't donations have to be declared already?

A bigger problem occurs with delayed rewards.

So say a politician leaves office and gets a job on the board of some big corporation that oh, by coincidence, reaps the reards of his or her political decisions.

For example, i believe ex Bundesrat Leuenberger got a job on the board of Implenia who got to work on major infrastructure projects he had kicked off during his time in office. But that's all legal by the book.

And some might argue, what else can retired politicians do? They only get jobs in fields where they have expertese, and where they have expertese they have interests.

Should a MP who is a teacher not be allowed to vote on questions regarding education? Or an MP who is a doctor be allowed to vote on a medical matter? Surely that would be the area they are best qualified to have a valid opinion on. But seeing they had in the past accepted money from some organisation with an interest, they would not be allowed to vote by your proposal.

In other words, it won't work.
Those conflicts of interest are unavoidable.

Just consider Hunter Biden, how could you ever ban him (or some other close relative of a politician) from being on Burisma's board (the Ukranian natural gas company)? Yes that reeks a lot, but how can you ban such? The father is the politician not the son, and you can't hold the politician's family hostage or otherwise reliable. If a bribe (provided that applies to Hunter in the first place) can't be paid via the child it will be the via a grandchild, nephew, or whatever. And if all else fails the politician can always self-publish some nonsensical book of which the briber buys 100k electronic copies for the price of $4 millions, or some such.

Likewise Leuenberger. Yes he took a position at Implenia (almost?) immediately after he left the federal council, something that reeked even more. But what's the difference between him and Magdalena Martullo-Blocher (member of the federal parliament, Blocher's daughter and heir of billions)? Or Evelyne Widmer-Schlumpf, former federal council and daughter of an ex-council - don't anybody tell me her father didn't pull every string he still had available when it was time to vote her in.

I don't think there's a way to regulate away plutocracy on the individual level. Defenitely not as long as party financing doesn't have to be published and members of parliament are supposed to be semi-professional politicians earning their living also by non-politcal work. Politics is about making and implementing laws, how many lawyers earn less than 150k annually in the private industry???

You (the public) may be able to make it more difficult but there will always be a way. And if you make it more difficult you can't keep demanding that, for instance, members of parliament be semi-professionals ("MilizParlament"). Likewise a federal council: on average they oversee a budget of ~10 billions each but they earn ~400k only.

Every manager, employed by a private company, with that kind of budget responsibility would laugh out loud at that kind of offer.
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Old 05.11.2020, 04:03
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One of my objections is a bit like this.

In countries like Uganda there is a lot of anti-gay legislation.

If Switzerland wants to hold Swiss companies accounatble for upholding Swiss ethics abroad, then what is to stop Uganda upholding ist own "ethics" and passing a similar law, saying "if you can do that, the so can we". So a Swiss company who partners with a Ugandan company could suddenly be held to account by the Ugandan government for implementing gay friendly policies in Uganda, or even in Switzerland.
Then you treat exactly the same as any other trade embargo - you don’t do business there. Which is the spirit for the proposal in any case.
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Old 29.11.2020, 13:30
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So, showtime, I hope this goes "bachab". First projection on SRF says 50-50.

Edit: One hour later, this looks done.

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Old 29.11.2020, 14:29
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Re: Upcoming vote , konzernverantwortungsinitiative [Responsible Business Initiative]

Frogs vote yes, normal people no.

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Frogs vote yes, normal people no.

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Zürich and Tessin both looking like a yes.

Currently looking likely to get a narrow yes overall but to fail to get enough cantons.
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Frogs vote yes, normal people no.

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How elegantly put. Prognosis on Tagi has also TI and ZH vote yes. Won't matter as majority of cantons say no.
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Old 29.11.2020, 14:49
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Re: Upcoming vote , konzernverantwortungsinitiative [Responsible Business Initiative]

We voted no, people at the Stammtisch yesterday also, don't know which idiots voted yes.

Two stupid initiatives that deserve to be rejected.

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We voted no, people at the Stammtisch yesterday also, don't know which idiots voted yes.

Two stupid initiatives that deserve to be rejected.

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Judging from the results, French speaking hippies.
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Judging from the results, French speaking hippies.
And the Tessin as well, no hippies there.
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We voted no, people at the Stammtisch yesterday also, don't know which idiots voted yes.
A majority of the Swiss it seems. Seems you have trouble accepting that.
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A majority of the Swiss it seems. Seems you have trouble accepting that.
What a pity that the Swiss in some people's heads aren't the real Swiss after all.

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And the Tessin as well, no hippies there.
Aha! It's the romance language that does it.
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Say whut? Swissinfo put it 51.1% against (updated an hour ago). My daughters were for it, my son agin. I like the principle, but not sure I'd have voted yes.
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Say whut? Swissinfo put it 51.1% against (updated an hour ago). My daughters were for it, my son agin. I like the principle, but not sure I'd have voted yes.
Tagesanzeiger a few seconds ago. 50.4% yes. As I said before, only just a yes.

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Majority of cantons, no, and that is what counts.

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Majority of cantons, no, and that is what counts.

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Finally, it's a NO for this referendum.

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Judging from the results, French speaking hippies.
I'm glad it's got rejected, but that type of comments are uncalled for. Also note that the initiative has got approved in Basel, Zurich, and Bern, in addition to the already pointed out Ticino. Do they all speak French too?

The difference is the degree of open-mindednes and internationalism, an urban vs rural where traditionally the Romands tend to be more progressive. The Romands are sometimes needed to bring about some change... Without them, the country would even have rejected the hosting of the SdN in Geneva (it only passed because at the time the entirety of Jura was part of Bern and the massive yes of the jurassiens made the canton swing)
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Say whut? Swissinfo put it 51.1% against (updated an hour ago). My daughters were for it, my son agin. I like the principle, but not sure I'd have voted yes.
Like you I like the principle but I could not see how it would work in practice.
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Sorry, but where is the link. Or are you simply trolling?
Ask marton to find a link if you need one.
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I'm glad it's got rejected, but that type of comments are uncalled for. Also note that the initiative has got approved in Basel, Zurich, and Bern, in addition to the already pointed out Ticino. Do they all speak French too?

The difference is the degree of open-mindednes and internationalism, an urban vs rural where traditionally the Romands tend to be more progressive. The Romands are sometimes needed to bring about some change... Without them, the country would even have rejected the hosting of the SdN in Geneva (it only passed because at the time the entirety of Jura was part of Bern and the massive yes of the jurassiens made the canton swing)
Open mindedness and internationalism are not positive traits per se.....they can be put to other use https://gothamcity.ch/
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