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Old 24.02.2021, 14:56
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Re: Vote 7th March 2021

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Besides, this is a national vote, not a worldwide one.
Switzerland's (and any other country's) actions are seen, and remembered throughout the world irrespective of whether you think this is only an internal matter.
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Re: Vote 7th March 2021

I hope the irony of holding a referendum on the Burka whilst everyone is forced to cover their face with a mask hasn't been lost on anyone!

I hope that the Burka ban is rejected as it is discriminatory against a minority group, which in turn sends out the wrong message about how a liberal society should behave. I also don't see this as a particularly big issue that needs addressing in Switzerland, it's probably been years since I last saw a Burka in CH and even then it was probably at an airport. Finally, it sends out the wrong message internationally and only gives oxygen to the far right.
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Re: Vote 7th March 2021

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I hope the irony of holding a referendum on the Burka whilst everyone is forced to cover their face with a mask hasn't been lost on anyone!

I hope that the Burka ban is rejected as it is discriminatory against a minority group, which in turn sends out the wrong message about how a liberal society should behave. I also don't see this as a particularly big issue that needs addressing in Switzerland, it's probably been years since I last saw a Burka in CH and even then it was probably at an airport. Finally, it sends out the wrong message internationally and only gives oxygen to the far right.
I live in Geneva, often travelled for work to Zurich... no Burqa here and there... And I strongly doubt that they have some in Appenzello or Uri.

Even in the France Voisine here (where the % of muslims is def higher than GE) no Buqas...

The only place in Switzerland where you see them is Interlaken as it's the favourite spot for Rich Saudi Tourists...
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Switzerland's (and any other country's) actions are seen, and remembered throughout the world irrespective of whether you think this is only an internal matter.
So what.
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Old 24.02.2021, 17:06
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Finally, it sends out the wrong message internationally and only gives oxygen to the far right.
The post above was thanked by UrsMax. Urs, make your bl**dy mind up!

Anyway, I think the wrong message has already been sent out with the SVP posters that have already appeared in International news.
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Old 24.02.2021, 17:24
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The post above was thanked by UrsMax. Urs, make your bl**dy mind up!

Anyway, I think the wrong message has already been sent out with the SVP posters that have already appeared in International news.
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Don't worry, the Saudis won't close their bank accounts and take their money somewhere else just because burkas are forbidden. Or what? Do you think the money is in 3000+ CHF per night hotel rooms?

I'm not a nation branding expert, but I cannot foresee any major consequences for the Switzerland brand.

PS. I also don't foresee Qatar rejecting FIFA, they even tipped the guys in ZH.

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Re: Vote 7th March 2021

Do we need even more silly rules and regulations? My goodness this affects less than 100 permanent residents and perhaps, a few hundred tourists.

Why don’t we just ask the hotels to put a note in their welcome pack, that it is not customary in this country to cover your face and hair outside of a religious setting. They do something similar in Dubai (no short shorts, no bare shoulders, cover your bosom). Then they can ignore the suggestions, just like Western tourists do in theirs.
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Old 24.02.2021, 17:59
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Don't worry, the Saudis won't close their bank accounts and take their money somewhere else just because burkas are forbidden. Or what? Do you think the money is in 3000+ CHF per night hotel rooms?

I'm not a nation branding expert, but I cannot foresee any major consequences for the Switzerland brand.

PS. I also don't foresee Qatar rejecting FIFA, they even tipped the guys in ZH.
I too don't think that people from these sorts of countries with human-rights abuses will stop coming either.

It may make others think though.

As an aside, already 600 migrant workers have died in the construction of the FIFA world cup stadiums and infrastructure in Qatar. Misha Glenny's McMafia is worth a read if you want to know what 'migrant worker' really means in the middle east.

Closer to home, Qatar money redeveloped the Bürgenstock hotel and leisure complex. With many features built especially for the numerous Arab visitors expected, and with Qatar women quite often wearing a Burka, I wonder how the Qataris will feel if the ban goes ahead?
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Re: Vote 7th March 2021

Oil and natural gas has seen its day. It doesn’t actually matter what some Qataris think.

Another reason to move to zero emissions, sooner rather than later.
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Old 24.02.2021, 18:40
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I too don't think that people from these sorts of countries with human-rights abuses will stop coming either.

It may make others think though.

As an aside, already 600 migrant workers have died in the construction of the FIFA world cup stadiums and infrastructure in Qatar. Misha Glenny's McMafia is worth a read if you want to know what 'migrant worker' really means in the middle east.

Closer to home, Qatar money redeveloped the Bürgenstock hotel and leisure complex. With many features built especially for the numerous Arab visitors expected, and with Qatar women quite often wearing a Burka, I wonder how the Qataris will feel if the ban goes ahead?
So what did you meant? Where's the risk for the Switzerland brand?

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Oil and natural gas has seen its day. It doesn’t actually matter what some Qataris think.
They are not sitting idle waiting for the oil to run out.

As well as the Bürgenstock, the Schweizerhof in Bern and the Roal Savoy in Lausanne are owned by Qataris.

Does Switzerland need their money to upgrade the leisure infrastructure? No idea but tourists do want, and expect, modern facilities and modern, international dining even if the locals are satisfied with their boiled ham and fleischkäse.
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You have no idea which part(s) I agree with in that post.
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Old 25.02.2021, 10:15
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LMAO

You have no idea which part(s) I agree with in that post.
Okay, let me understand this correctly. Suppose I wrote a post that said:

"Switzerland has the best food in the world but UrsMax is a d1ck"


You may like the first part of the thread and could push that "Thanks" button even if you disagreed with the second part?

Anyway, back to the thread...
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Old 25.02.2021, 10:44
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Okay, let me understand this correctly. Suppose I wrote a post that said:

"Switzerland has the best food in the world but UrsMax is a d1ck"


You may like the first part of the thread and could push that "Thanks" button even if you disagreed with the second part?

Anyway, back to the thread...
I sometimes thank posts even when I don't agree with everything contained within...

Back to the topic at hand, another reason to vote against the ban is that there have been a number of foiled terrorist plots within Switzerland fairly recently. I think a Burka ban would just fuel resentment and fuels the risk of an actual attack taking place.
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I sometimes thank posts even when I don't agree with everything contained within...

Back to the topic at hand, another reason to vote against the ban is that there have been a number of foiled terrorist plots within Switzerland fairly recently. I think a Burka ban would just fuel resentment and fuels the risk of an actual attack taking place.
So if the Swiss decide, in their own country, to ban wearing burkas etc in public spaces we should expect terrorist attacks? We had it coming, perhaps?

Yeah, I like this way of thinking. What if every minority group that feels discriminated would copy-paste the recipe......
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Old 25.02.2021, 12:54
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Not everyone lives in Kanton Zurich (should I add a rolleyes emoji too? I think not, you've used them all up).
But quite a few of us do live here.

And we've discussed the votes of other cantons before.

How about discussing the one that says the police need to report the nationality of criminals.

I was expecting quite a few people would have something to weigh in on that. Might even be a certain logical overlap with the burka thing.
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Old 25.02.2021, 13:01
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But quite a few of us do live here.

And we've discussed the votes of other cantons before.

How about discussing the one that says the police need to report the nationality of criminals.

I was expecting quite a few people would have something to weigh in on that. Might even be a certain logical overlap with the burka thing.
Yes, that's a weird one! And not only the nationality but also the "roots" for naturalized Swiss. WTF?!

For decades now it annoys me to hear on the news things like: "The criminal is Swiss with Sri Lanken .... Bosnian ... what ever .... roots".
And now they want to make this law?!
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Old 25.02.2021, 13:51
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How about discussing the one that says the police need to report the nationality of criminals.
What reasoning did the people who started the initiative give?

There's a lot of reporting of crimes in the U.K. where the perpetrators are not explicitly named (usually because they haven't been caught), but the case usually links back to Eastern Europe - because that is where the stolen tractors, for example, have been found - due to the GPS units on board).

May be it's bad reporting but there does seem to be quite an increase in organised crime (in the U.K. at least) by Eastern Europeans.

Is it wrong to state that when Police are reporting a crime? How does it help solve crimes or prevent (or reduce) future ones?

I'd prefer an initiative that promoted greater press freedom. There is some stuff here that never reaches the media and does skew how the public view their country.
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Old 25.02.2021, 14:22
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  • Burkaban. No more face coverings (which is amusing since we're all wearing masks)
  • E-ID Initiative. This will allow residents as well as citizens to prove their ID on the Internet (I guess superseding SuisseID in some way)
  • Trade agreement with Indonesia. Removing customs charges both ways to open the market between Switzerland and Indonesia
Even if I could vote, I would probably not be bothered to cast my vote on these non-issues. If I had to: no, no, yes.
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Old 25.02.2021, 14:25
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What reasoning did the people who started the initiative give?
I think they are arguing something along the lines of, people should have a right to know, and the authorities shouldn't be covering up that certain nationalities are over-represented in criminal activities. As in, "it's the problem that you deny exists that is the most difficult to solve".

Those against the initiative are saying, naming nationalities could encourage discrimination and make it more difficult for said nationalities to find a job or an apartment etc.

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There's a lot of reporting of crimes in the U.K. where the perpetrators are not explicitly named (usually because they haven't been caught), but the case usually links back to Eastern Europe - because that is where the stolen tractors, for example, have been found - due to the GPS units on board).
This is a case where for example many Romanians feel unfairly labelled, because they say the criminals are not normal Romanians but predominantly members of certain minorities. But they feel they are being tarnished with the same broad brush.

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Is it wrong to state that when Police are reporting a crime? How does it help solve crimes or prevent (or reduce) future ones?
In some cases it may help reduce future crimes. For example certain scams are connected to certain nationalities. Or at least perceived to be so.

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I'd prefer an initiative that promoted greater press freedom. There is some stuff here that never reaches the media and does skew how the public view their country.
But is that a question of press freedom? Or is it a question of the press not using freedom that they have?
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