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Old 27.02.2021, 19:59
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Re: Vote 7th March 2021

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The minaret thing was a kickback against a high court ruling saying religious freedom overruled urban planning regulations and meant religious communities could dispense with proper planning and permitting procedures. I don't think that sort of argument would fly in the US, so Americans criticizing Switzerland over it really have no leg to stand on. Many in Switzerland thought the court's decision was misguided if not absurd, and hence passed the initiative to put that right. The peculiar thing is that that the constitutional amendment never defined what exactly a minaret is. So if anybody wants to go that way, they would have to have a court work it out for them.

The face covering ban is much more precise in what it wants to ban and what it doesn't.

When I see some chauffeur driven Mercedes pull up in front of a fashion store on Bahnhofstrasse, a bunch of bodyguards push onlookers aside so some Saudi princess can spend more money in three minutes than some of earn in three months. I sort of have difficult following the argument that her life is guided by modesty.
There are 30 princesses here?
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Old 27.02.2021, 21:25
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There are 30 princesses here?

On the EF?

I think maybe more than that.
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Old 27.02.2021, 21:48
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Re: Vote 7th March 2021

And how many frogs?
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Old 27.02.2021, 22:10
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And how many frogs?
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When I see some chauffeur driven Mercedes pull up in front of a fashion store on Bahnhofstrasse, a bunch of bodyguards push onlookers aside so some Saudi princess can spend more money in three minutes than some of earn in three months. I sort of have difficult following the argument that her life is guided by modesty.
Even Saudi princesses need nice clothes.

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IMO this vote is an exercise in futility and a waste of money/effort. Apart from the e-ID, all have little or no impact on the population – whether they can vote or not. .
It has a big impact on some EFers!

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Old 28.02.2021, 07:43
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Re: Vote 7th March 2021

The anti-anti-burka rhetoric is getting to me, so now I am leaning towards a yes, just to piss off the USians giving "olygirl" a hard time!

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The anti-anti-burka rhetoric is getting to me, so now I am leaning towards a yes, just to piss off the USians giving "olygirl" a hard time!

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Why do you want to piss them off?
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Old 28.02.2021, 08:23
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Why do you want to piss them off?
Because it's amusing!

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Old 28.02.2021, 08:25
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The anti-anti-burka rhetoric is getting to me, so now I am leaning towards a yes, just to piss off the USians giving "olygirl" a hard time!

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Nice to see a naturalized Swiss citizen not taking their right to vote seriously...
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Old 28.02.2021, 10:30
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Re: Vote 7th March 2021

Am mostly concerned about the E-ID.
Is big brother taking control of Switzerland and the world?

https://www.ktipp.ch/artikel/artikel...logiekonzerne/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ID2020

https://www.blacklistednews.com/arti...ation-and.html
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Re: Vote 7th March 2021

I can almost see the world newspapers preparing the headlines “Swiss Hypocracy” in advance with photos of people queuing in voting lines with masks on and to do it on the eve of International Women’s Day.

These initiatives makes a mockery of our values in a free society with freedom of speech, religious expressions and freedom to wear whatever you want.

Obviously a small minority is being targeted by so called Liberal Swiss no matter how you spin this and this vote does not bring anything good in this world except hate and resentment, which is not good for anyone.

We should set a good example to our children and grandchildren that we tried our best to leave the world a better place for them.

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No
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Old 28.02.2021, 10:38
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Nice to see a naturalized Swiss citizen not taking their right to vote seriously...
a) It's a toss up, there are no good arguments either way.

b) No.

c) Yes.

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Old 28.02.2021, 10:47
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Even Saudi princesses need nice clothes.
Reminds me of a strange (or romantic) story. I have a Swiss friend who had a romance many years ago with an Eastern Europe princess who was studying in Zürich. Her family did not approve of him and eventually, she was sent off to marry a wealthy businessman and my friend heard nothing more.

Until January last year when she turned up on his doorstep in a Mercedes limo complete with a chauffeur and a bodyguard

Since then due to the virus their contact has been somewhat intermittent, hopefully, there will be a happy ending.
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Old 28.02.2021, 10:50
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I can almost see the world newspapers preparing the headlines “Swiss Hypocracy” in advance with photos of people queuing in voting lines with masks on and to do it on the eve of International Women’s Day.
The fun part is, though, that if the world newspapers thought a bit more before they print, the fact that this innitiative is even possible (and them able to inform about it) is because of the free society with freedom of free speech.

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That is already restricted, the nudists can only hike naked in some cantons.

Would anyone like to suggest in a free speech society that this innitiative shouldn't happen? Which happens routinely in other countries. Which are more free?

I don't think that it will pass but like the fact that people can voice their attitude towards this. The innitiative isn't telling women not to wear burquas but asking people what they think about it. There is an incredible difference between those two things.
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I don't think that it will pass but like the fact that people can voice their attitude towards this. The innitiative isn't telling women not to wear burquas but asking people what they think about it. There is an incredible difference between those two things.
The initiative is banning burkas in public areas so your above statement is wrong.

Here's a Swissinfo article on the subject:
https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/burka-b...nists/46334100

Here's an excerpt from the article:

How does Switzerland compare with other countries?
About 15 countries in Europe have introduced general face covering bans over the past decade.

France was a front-runner in 2011, but Switzerland’s other three neighbouring countries – Germany, Italy and Austria - have also implemented restrictions; either general bans, or specific and regional measures.

Burka and niqab bans of some sort are in place in numerous countries in Europe, Asia, Africa and North America.

In Switzerland, two of the country’s 26 cantons have imposed a burka ban since 2016. Another 15 cantons have banned face covering for demonstrations and sports events.

What’s does the burka vote have in common with the minaret ban?
The committee behind the burka ban is the same as the one that launched a proposal for a ban on the construction of new minarets in Switzerland.

The vote in 2009 resulted in a ballot box upset when 57.5% of voters and 22 of the 26 cantons came out in favour of outlawing new minarets at mosques.

Unlike 12 years ago, opinion polls suggest that supporters of burka ban enjoy solid initial backing. But experts say another political upset appears less likely, as anti-Islamic sentiment is no longer taboo.
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I don't think that it will pass but like the fact that people can voice their attitude towards this. The innitiative isn't telling women not to wear burquas but asking people what they think about it. There is an incredible difference between those two things.
Actually, it WILL most likely pass, and the innitiative IS telling women not to wear burquas and NOT asking people what they think about it!

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hopefully, there will be a happy ending.
Only if she freelances as a masseuse.

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And here I was thinking that it was mainly posturing in a symbolic way since it concerns only a few individuals. So it is not so benign and it could actually pass? If so, doesn't it reflect what people here actually want and the innitiative then justified?
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Actually, it WILL most likely pass, and the innitiative IS telling women not to wear burquas and NOT asking people what they think about it!

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I'm not sure how will this be implemented though....through fines?

And administering a fine involves the identification of a person. Suppose people don't alway have IDs on them. What next? Either way, it looks absurd imho.
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Only if she freelances as a masseuse.

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Are you still half asleep, pops?

You made me laugh.
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