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Old 01.03.2021, 00:00
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- You have a duty as a citizen to try and make the best possible decision for your country as you see it and that means you need to understand both sides of the proposal.
Mind you they never cared which way people voted, but they got really PO with people who did not make the effort to cast an informed vote.

So I play devils advocate at the dinner table in the weeks before the vote and challenge them to explain and defend the issues. In the hope that when the time comes they’ll cast an informed vote although I have no intention of asking them what way the went in the end.
Kudos to you for that.

I agree that you haven't really understood an issue until you've understood and given fair consideration to both sides of the argument.

An attitude that can sadly no longer be taken for granted these days.
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Old 01.03.2021, 08:16
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Not true at all ... I was once at the Manor cafeteria in Zurich and literally 30 something women came in full burka with even eye coverings during the span of my lunch. (Perhaps there was a tour group?) Luzern city center as well as here in Bern during the Summer you see many.
But if they are tourists this ban doesn't make any sense.

Imagine that some people come from really different places and perhaps this is their only chance to visit the "free world". I don't think we're able to change their culture this way, assuming we'd like to do such a thing.

Anyways....as with many SVP initiatives the purpose seem to stir some emotions up, not to actually solve anything.
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But if they are tourists this ban doesn't make any sense.

Imagine that some people come from really different places and perhaps this is their only chance to visit the "free world". I don't think we're able to change their culture this way, assuming we'd like to do such a thing.

Anyways....as with many SVP initiatives the purpose seem to stir some emotions up, not to actually solve anything.
I agree ... I believe the argument is that we would be expected to follow their customs if we were to visit their arse backwards country. I can understand that argument, but what does it really achieve?

In the video I posted in an earlier comment, you will see the Iranian cleric telling the hijab-less woman to "go to the west" if she wants to be free. Hopefully when they visit, our ways will have a good influence...but forcing them to adapt won't make any difference and will perhaps only cause harm. They have enough of people telling them what they should and should not wear, we don't need to be an addition to that list.

My decision has been made, I will vote "No".
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Old 01.03.2021, 11:21
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Re: Vote 7th March 2021

1. Abstain
2. No
3. Abstain


My view on #1: locally irrelevant and internationally insignificant


PS: The board of the Both-or-Nothing initiative committee is still welcoming new members
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Old 01.03.2021, 21:21
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This agreement might need more thought. Encouraging sustainable production is like kissing your Sister. It makes you feel good, but doesn’t lead to anything.
This is, of course, where the notorious incest opera Die Walküre was composed
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Old 01.03.2021, 21:52
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But quite a few of us do live here.

And we've discussed the votes of other cantons before.

How about discussing the one that says the police need to report the nationality of criminals.

I was expecting quite a few people would have something to weigh in on that. Might even be a certain logical overlap with the burka thing.
Well, in Rotherham, UK, most of the sex abuse of young girls - see https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roth...tation_scandal - was by “Pakistani heritage” men - but the UK press frequently avoid mentioning that, because it doesn’t fit their happy “multikulti” fantasy...
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Old 01.03.2021, 21:59
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I'd just like to share that this was the first time for me to cast my Swiss vote, since I was granted citizenship last November.

My husband still doesn't voluntarily participate in voting, but I help him out by doing all of the research and then we discuss the issues together. It is a nice way of doing it together
Congrats, my first vote too!
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Old 01.03.2021, 22:18
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Congrats, my first vote too!
my second vote.

my citizenship was confirmed just days before the voting package arrived by post, so it was a great present.
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Old 01.03.2021, 22:20
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Re: Vote 7th March 2021

My 3,425th vote.
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Old 02.03.2021, 19:12
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Well, in Rotherham, UK, most of the sex abuse of young girls - see https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roth...tation_scandal - was by “Pakistani heritage” men - but the UK press frequently avoid mentioning that, because it doesn’t fit their happy “multikulti” fantasy...
Well where I come from not too far from the UK most of the sexual abusers locked up are Christian Priests.
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Old 02.03.2021, 19:19
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My 3,425th vote.
You keep count?

Anyway, that would make you 800+ years old, and women can only vote since 50 years, so I call BULLSHIT!

Anyway, figuring 4x year plus voting for the communal crew every four years, I should be at 100 or just over.

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Old 02.03.2021, 19:51
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Anyway, that would make you 800+ years old, and women can only vote since 50 years, so I call BULLSHIT!
Here she is with a friend in the Schywz Fasnacht:

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Old 02.03.2021, 20:51
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my second vote.

my citizenship was confirmed just days before the voting package arrived by post, so it was a great present.
My wife's great grandfather came here in 1863 as a political refugee, and was naturalzed in 1872 by some wannabe writer/poet who spent his working days as the "Erster Zürcher Staatsschreiber" doing such mundane tasks, named "Gottfried Keller".

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Old 02.03.2021, 21:10
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My wife's great grandfather came here in 1863 as a political refugee, and was naturalzed in 1872 by some wannabe writer/poet who spent his working days as the "Erster Zürcher Staatsschreiber" doing such mundane tasks, named "Gottfried Keller".

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Nothing so interesting in my life

I went through the citizenship process and eventually, a postman rang our doorbell with my papers and asked for 700 hundred odd Francs. So I called "her indoors" and said: "it is for you".
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Old 02.03.2021, 21:36
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Nothing so interesting in my life

I went through the citizenship process and eventually, a postman rang our doorbell with my papers and asked for 700 hundred odd Francs. So I called "her indoors" and said: "it is for you".
I had to discover this, as my wife doesn't do German.

I even have to deal with her Heimatort for her!

Meanwhile, her ex-husband is a Vietnamese boat person! I think that she wins for most refugees in her family.

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Old 02.03.2021, 22:04
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You keep count?

Anyway, that would make you 800+ years old, and women can only vote since 50 years, so I call BULLSHIT!

Anyway, figuring 4x year plus voting for the communal crew every four years, I should be at 100 or just over.

Tom
Maybe she votes for all members of the extended family?
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„Burka Ban“ ja
E-ID nein
Indonesia ja
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Old 07.03.2021, 15:31
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„Burka Ban“ ja
E-ID nein
Indonesia ja
Thus, as we voted!

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Old 07.03.2021, 17:03
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Thus, as we voted!

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I knew you'd fit right in here!
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