Kudos to you for that.

I agree that you haven't really understood an issue until you've understood and given fair consideration to both sides of the argument.

An attitude that can sadly no longer be taken for granted these days.

But if they are tourists this ban doesn't make any sense.

Imagine that some people come from really different places and perhaps this is their only chance to visit the "free world". I don't think we're able to change their culture this way, assuming we'd like to do such a thing.

Anyways....as with many SVP initiatives the purpose seem to stir some emotions up, not to actually solve anything.

I agree ... I believe the argument is that we would be expected to follow their customs if we were to visit their arse backwards country. I can understand that argument, but what does it really achieve?

In the video I posted in an earlier comment, you will see the Iranian cleric telling the hijab-less woman to "go to the west" if she wants to be free. Hopefully when they visit, our ways will have a good influence...but forcing them to adapt won't make any difference and will perhaps only cause harm. They have enough of people telling them what they should and should not wear, we don't need to be an addition to that list.

My decision has been made, I will vote "No".

1. Abstain
2. No
3. Abstain


My view on #1: locally irrelevant and internationally insignificant


PS: The board of the Both-or-Nothing initiative committee is still welcoming new members

This is, of course, where the notorious incest opera Die Walküre was composed

Well, in Rotherham, UK, most of the sex abuse of young girls - see https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roth...tation_scandal - was by “Pakistani heritage” men - but the UK press frequently avoid mentioning that, because it doesn’t fit their happy “multikulti” fantasy...

Congrats, my first vote too!

my second vote.

my citizenship was confirmed just days before the voting package arrived by post, so it was a great present.

My 3,425th vote.

Well where I come from not too far from the UK most of the sexual abusers locked up are Christian Priests.

You keep count?

Anyway, that would make you 800+ years old, and women can only vote since 50 years, so I call BULLSHIT!

Anyway, figuring 4x year plus voting for the communal crew every four years, I should be at 100 or just over.

Tom

Here she is with a friend in the Schywz Fasnacht:

My wife's great grandfather came here in 1863 as a political refugee, and was naturalzed in 1872 by some wannabe writer/poet who spent his working days as the "Erster Zürcher Staatsschreiber" doing such mundane tasks, named "Gottfried Keller".

Tom

Nothing so interesting in my life

I went through the citizenship process and eventually, a postman rang our doorbell with my papers and asked for 700 hundred odd Francs. So I called "her indoors" and said: "it is for you".

I had to discover this, as my wife doesn't do German.

I even have to deal with her Heimatort for her!

Meanwhile, her ex-husband is a Vietnamese boat person! I think that she wins for most refugees in her family.

Tom

Maybe she votes for all members of the extended family?

Actually, I look more like this:

„Burka Ban“ ja
E-ID nein
Indonesia ja

Thus, as we voted!

Tom

I knew you'd fit right in here!