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Not just about breeding, Islam attracts way more converts from other religions do.
Ok. But being born into the only allowed official faith in one's country makes all the numbers a bit...different. I wonder how many times islam is imposed. So, people who voted against the ban since they believe that all women wear the face covering voluntarily, also believe that all people have their free choice to pick their faith. Which looking at a big portion of the modern islamic world, simply is not the case. I respect the Bernese Iman who mentioned in the BBC article that he voted for the ban. Interesting. Integrated. He knows why he did so, I think.
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Old 08.03.2021, 12:22
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Because several other European countries already have bans
As well as several cantons.

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Ok. But being born into the only allowed official faith in one's country makes all the numbers a bit...different. I wonder how many times islam is imposed. So, people who voted against the ban since they believe that all women wear the face covering voluntarily, also believe that all people have their free choice to pick their faith. Which looking at a big portion of the modern islamic world, simply is not the case. I respect the Bernese Iman who mentioned in the BBC article that he voted for the ban. Interesting. Integrated. He knows why he did so, I think.
Sure in Saudai Arabia that is the case, but I have been to Christian Churches in UAE, Lebanon, Egypt , Turkey so it’s not as if there is no Alternative in the majority of Muslim countries. It’s like growing up in Switzerland chances are you will be a Christian unless your parents are of another faith which is in the minority here.
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Old 08.03.2021, 12:39
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It’s like growing up in Switzerland chances are you will be a Christian unless your parents are of another faith which is in the minority here.
My kids are Atheists.

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Old 08.03.2021, 13:17
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Sure in Saudai Arabia that is the case, but I have been to Christian Churches in UAE, Lebanon, Egypt , Turkey so it’s not as if there is no Alternative in the majority of Muslim countries. It’s like growing up in Switzerland chances are you will be a Christian unless your parents are of another faith which is in the minority here.
2019 census from CH says 24-28% of residents are unaffiliated to religion (atheist, agnostic, etc). Curious thing is some foreign citizens are more religious (Italy, and the Balkans less than 15% of atheists) and others less religious (France, Germany more than 50% of atheists).

Once you look at the heterogeneity by canton, chances are new babies won't have any religion at all in Basel City, Neuchâtel, and Genève. Maybe after the covid deaths in Basel, having a religion is being part of the minority.
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Old 08.03.2021, 13:23
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I voted yes on the ban, but I thinkthat in a democracy there should be space for people voicing dismay/frustration in a peacefull manner after they "lost" an election.
It's not like they are demanding a recount or are claiming vauter fraud.
what about demanding the courts void the result?
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Old 08.03.2021, 13:50
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Sure in Saudai Arabia that is the case, but I have been to Christian Churches in UAE, Lebanon, Egypt , Turkey so it’s not as if there is no Alternative in the majority of Muslim countries. It’s like growing up in Switzerland chances are you will be a Christian unless your parents are of another faith which is in the minority here.
Or no faith at all.
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I must say, I was expecting more of an international reaction over this. I remember the outcry over the Minaret ban decade or so ago! As it has been, it's barely made a ripple.

Also interesting (to me in my ignorance at least) it wasn't a Burka ban, rather a ban on face coverings... Does this mean I don't need to wear my face mask anymore?!
I just watched the German news. They reported in a monotone tone what was voted about and the result and ended with "the estimated amount of people wearing a burka in Switzerland is 30".



I would imagine, if anything, other countries might be a little jealous about us not having serious societal problems.
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I would imagine, if anything, other countries might be a little jealous about us not having serious societal problems.
So you're suggesting that women who wear a face covering cause serious societal problems?
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what about demanding the courts void the result?
That would be of course complete BS.
Who is doing that? Second thought, lets not give stupid people even more space than they already have on the internet.
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I just watched the German news. They reported in a monotone tone what was voted about and the result and ended with "the estimated amount of people wearing a burka in Switzerland is 30".



I would imagine, if anything, other countries might be a little jealous about us not having serious societal problems.
To be honest I cant remember seeing nikab or burka in public in CH. Headscarf, hijab and rarely chador yes but burka never.

Diaspora liberated woman have great inffluence on women liberation in their home countries as they visit. Best example is Kosovo and west Macedonia. I have been there 20 years ago as a relief worker and now 4 years ago. Views from women diaspora influenced and liberated many females there.
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To be honest I cant remember seeing nikab or burka in public in CH. Headscarf, hijab and rarely chador yes but burka never.

Diaspora liberated woman have great inffluence on women liberation in their home countries as they visit. Best example is Kosovo and west Macedonia. I have been there 20 years ago as a relief worker and now 4 years ago. Views from women diaspora influenced and liberated many females there.
I think it's the communism that liberated women over there more than current days diaspora. In a weird way, communism had accelerated gender equality even in the most conservative societies. Of course, religion becoming important again after the fall of communism things might have changed for the worse in some regards, but I dare to say that you haven't chosen the best examples to illustrate the contributions of diaspora because they didn't start from such a low point to begin with. My opinion, obviously.

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To be honest I cant remember seeing nikab or burka in public in CH.
I have many times. It all depends on which area you live in. Obviously no way common as the Hijab. On my street there were 3 ladies with full black outfit, covering the face everything. It felt really weird sitting on the bus stop bench with such a woman (assuming it was a woman and not a cross dresser). Being a gentleman I said "Grutzi" to it, and it ignored me

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Islam attracts way more converts from other religions do.
Growth of Islam has nothing to do with gathering more converts. Almost equal number of people leave Islam too, also people who leave Islam but don't make it public for obvious safety reasons. So growth of Islam in modern times is purely high birth rate related phenomenon.
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Important to not overlook the fact that the burka is extreme even in Islam

Only people really to be aggrieved en Suisse will be private banking institutions and hotels in Geneva & Zurich areas
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Communism (or whatever pretense philosophy dictatorial regimes hide behind) supports negation of basic human rights, in a gender non discriminatory way. Progress? Really? The stuff that people say sometimes...

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I think it's the communism that liberated women over there more than current days diaspora. In a weird way, communism had accelerated gender equality even in the most conservative societies. Of course, religion becoming important again after the fall of communism things might have changed for the worse in some regards, but I dare to say that you haven't chosen the best examples to illustrate the contributions of diaspora because they didn't start from such a low point to begin with. My opinion, obviously.



And white socks with sandals. Deal?
Communism kept in check religion, but not womens rights except on 8 March.

Diaspora views are not the only reason for more liberal society there but certainly important one. I was told that by few sociology professors in Pristina .

Best example is current demographics there. 30 years ago it was common for a woman in Kosovo to be behind walls of the house and have at least 5 to 7 kids.

Now such cases are rare and Kosovar women have max 2, 3 and start to family much much much later.
Btw Burka is banned in Kosovo too since 2010.
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I have many times. It all depends on which area you live in. Obviously no way common as the Hijab. On my street there were 3 ladies with full black outfit, covering the face everything. It felt really weird sitting on the bus stop bench with such a woman (assuming it was a woman and not a cross dresser). Being a gentleman I said "Grutzi" to it, and it ignored me
I believe ‘they’ is the pronoun of choice for referring to a person in a gender neutral way.
Referring to a human being as ‘it’ is not very nice in my opinion.
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