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Old 21.03.2021, 12:11
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I feel the same for some other people here (quite a few in fact), so I guess to each their own.
So do I I mostly don't comment because I try to keep out of some group dynamics here
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Old 21.03.2021, 13:15
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Old 21.03.2021, 13:24
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Old 21.03.2021, 13:46
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Old 21.03.2021, 13:52
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We can agree to disagree if you like. You speak with experience you say, I don't doubt that and respect your opinion. The problem is, you wrote like a patronizing know -it all because of that. You should now better with your background. Thats barely ok imho in an exact science, but teaching??
I do now what you meant with unconscious bias.

With respect to the other stuff you wrote, thanks for taking the time. If you really want answers to the questions let me know, I will answer them. In one you are right though, in my Berufsmaturaclasses I am really teaching for the middle.
I think there may be a translation/ inference issue. I did not mean to patronize or offend, quite the opposite. I've written advice/support for many colleagues in the past exactly like that and managed not to offend any! Probably helped that feedback was initially given face to face.

Teaching isn't an exact science, i was merely trying to offer strategies. I really am interested in answers to my qus if you have time. Always happy to have a convo about teaching practice etc.

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Sorry, but this can be said for other people here too. I don't know why they do that, but they do it. Time and again. With an aggressiveness and a militant like attitude that is rather pathological. This is an online forum, people share whatever and how much they see fit.

Elu's first posts here were interesting, I'm rather surprised he ended up by getting angry.

@Elu, I personally think she meant well.
I did.

Obviously some folk on here just love to out the boot in.

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I'm sure that if that statement had targeted me, you would have formulated it more directly, right?
Yes teachers have a lot of autonomy here for better or worse. I hear a lot of stories from my students about their sek school teachers, I do hope that most of them are exaggerated. Of course, I mostly get to here the negative stories. Btw: I often get to hear, why is it that the younger the teacher, the better?


Prejudice, blind spot I think the johari window is a good model for that. During teaching studies, you get to work a lot on them. Rightfully so, and of course sensibilisation to gender issues is an important part of that.

The issue at hand is that the experts completely missed that I only asked questions to student who raised their hands.
Instead of asking "Why did you only ask people who raised their hand" Which would be a perfectly fine question as there are, as RufusB pointed out, valid reasons to do so.
Nope, they went down the gender route and completely missed the point. Thats what triggered me then

Other than that, the feedback was excellent (so was my lesson btw , constructive and comprehensible.

I genuinely would like to know why the gender qu bothered you so. If it won't thoroughly piss you off again, obviously.

I agree with Olygirl that gender should have no bearing in a classroom but in my experience it often does, even if only from the side of thd students and what they bring with them into the room.

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I am quite convinced that she meant well. Thats why I deleted a lot of what I wrote. Still, when giving unsolicited! advice on someonse profession, one should tread carefully. I gave her feedback that she comes across in a wrong way, to my liking at least. There's no one that can truly incorporate feedback if there's a sender/recipient problem, so I let her know.



Wether she reflected on that and adapted accordingly or not is open to your interpretation I certainly did mine.

Since we were talking about unconscious bias or blind spots in general, there migth be a problem on my side regarding effect of "you should" to a native german speaker. I realized later that the term you should is far less binding than my german translation du sollst.
But even with that in mind, she acted like she hat die Warheit fŁr sich gepachtet. (repository /monopoly of truth). And I can't stand that.

I used should as in "could" or "might perhaps think about doing..". Which is why I didn't say "you must".

I forget I'm not always writing to native English speakers which is why I aimed for neutral which can come across as cold. I find a lot of posters present as one way but are actually very different.

I'm certainly not saying there is only one way. I was trying to explain that, based on doing this for 16 years, there are often recurrung patterns of behaviour and I'm aware of why your tutor asked "that" question.

Anyway. To recap: apologies for offending. Was not my intention.
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Old 21.03.2021, 15:26
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Time to go skiing and keep away from this nonsense.
Been out, done that (glorious, BTW) and just got back, only to see it hasn't much changed since this morning. Mebbe it's time to close the thread...
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Indeed- just went out for a while XC skiing above here- but the bise was still quite cold.

Downhill tomorrow- didn't go this w/end leaving the slopes for those who can't go during the week, away from crowds.
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Old 21.03.2021, 15:59
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Indeed- just went out for a while XC skiing above here- but the bise was still quite cold.

Downhill tomorrow- didn't go this w/end leaving the slopes for those who can't go during the week, away from crowds.
Is this in any way relevant to this thread?
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Old 21.03.2021, 16:04
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Yes, absolutely.
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Old 21.03.2021, 16:16
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Sorry, but this can be said for other people here too. I don't know why they do that, but they do it. Time and again. With an aggressiveness and a militant like attitude that is rather pathological. This is an online forum, people share whatever and how much they see fit.
There's a big difference between having an opinion on a general topic, versus trying to lecture, without having been asked, on a specific situation in the classroom the wannabe-lecturer has next to no information on.
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There's a big difference between having an opinion on a general topic, versus trying to lecture, without having been asked, on a specific situation in the classroom the wannabe-lecturer has next to no information on.
Maybe there was quite enough info if one understood the given scenario. It's entirely possible.
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Old 21.03.2021, 16:28
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There's a big difference between having an opinion on a general topic, versus trying to lecture, without having been asked, on a specific situation in the classroom the wannabe-lecturer has next to no information on.
What's the difference when one doesn't have the facts?
Anyways, RufusB has apologised for any misunderstanding, I'm still waiting to see any sign of common sense from others. Actually, I don't. It's highly advisable to just refrain from or stop visiting any thread that has been hijacked the usual way.
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There are good teachers and lame ones, you can't expect all of them to be great or bad, just like any other jobs, say a programmer.

My question to you (as a precious local source, really, and rather objective, I think), do you feel discriminated against, as a man here in CH? Do you think that women are seriously discriminated against in CH or distinctly more than other similar countries?
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in my experience from people i've hired (100's), women are better negotiators than men. and of the men that negotiate well, a good proportion had wives in the background calling the shots of the negotiation.

there is unfortunately pretty clear statistical evidence that men get paid more more than women slightly (at least in the UK, US and HK where i've seen the data). its only slight and there are LOT of causes of bias in both directions.

men do tend to be more single minded and hence do well in single focus jobs (programmers, quants etc), of which there are more, but women tend to do better as mid - senior managers, of which there are less. of course its a given that exceptions abound.
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Is this in any way relevant to this thread?
Well it's at least as relevant as most of the other tangential posts, and you're normally quite keen to turn the discussion to winter sports . Bit of a pot=>kettle=>black moment there, I feel.
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Is this in any way relevant to this thread?
Itís as relevant to this thread as your Brexit/vaccine post was in the coronavirus thread but that didnít seem to bother you.
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Youíre right. They can be acute though.
dont forget obtuse

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My question to you (as a precious local source, really, and rather objective, I think), do you feel discriminated against, as a man here in CH? Do you think that women are seriously discriminated against in CH or distinctly more than other similar countries?
I don't feel discriminated against, I see no boogeyman. What I do see see are differences, not discrimination, albeit with the balance clearly moving against men predominantly due to the one-year mandatory military service and due to the costs associated with women's longer lives. But generally speaking some stuff is for, other stuff is against, either sex, I'm not alarmed by the entire thing.

My focus is CH. However it would be stupid to ignore what happens in the UK and USA because it's only a question of time until most stuff arrives here. Equality before the law and equal opportunity OTOH has been reality for quite some time now, for 2-5 generations subject to your locality. What you (everybody) do with that is each individual's choice and responsibility. Change your choice if you don't like the outcome and leave me my peace.

One main problem with contemporary feminism, and the reason I consider it toxic, is that its view is completely egocentric and monocausal, there's no nuance and often little to no logic. To this day women are claimed to be the victims of male oppression despite the fact that women hold the majority of the votes, with all the power that brings.

The notion of oppression is in direct contradiction with the fundamental claim that women are equal to men and the power they actually wield. Claiming that they're oppressed is akin to claiming that the women are a little stupid and don't really know what to do with their power.

All that would be rather insignificant if it weren't for their claim that "I want, therefore you have to do xyz", this is the other main problem. I don't particularly care what opinion people hold as long as they don't expect me to do their bidding. This is a general problem with today's left, not just feminism.
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