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It is starting to feel then that calculating equality is not going to go through bills and paychecks. I also think that autonomy manifests itself through diverse scenarios. Single parents can talk about autonomy and how the system often short-changes them...if they had the time or felt the need. I like the empowering messages in this thread to learn to negotiate for oneself. Not looking for entitlement, that takes too long and functions less. Nor does it give satisfaction of one's achievement.

We are all equal in death, Axa, I think.
I was taking the actuarial perspective. I have the bad habit of chasing the numbers. But, you're right there's a lot beyond bills and paychecks, respect to begin with.
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I was taking the actuarial perspective. I have the bad habit of chasing the numbers. But, you're right there's a lot beyond bills and paychecks, respect to begin with.
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Re: Equal rights for women

While I agree with others that better access to day care and introduction of day schools would be good changes to consider, I'd like to add the following four additional legal and constitutional inequalities to the conversation:
  1. mandatory military service
  2. mandatory civil defense service
  3. unequal widows' and widower's pension
  4. unequal protection of bodily integrity
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Being preventative means more frequent check ups but maybe less important costs when something is found. Not being preventative means fewer check ups and more important costs when something is found too late. So maybe girls should pay less for premiums, oder?
The last few years are by far the most expensive, due to care costs (one day in an ordinary elderly home (across all institutions/homes) costs 299 CHF on average, roughly 105k per year). Avoiding those by dieing prematurely is a massive benefit to the system.

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The last few years are by far the most expensive, due to care costs (a year in an ordinary elderly home can easily cost around 100k). Avoiding those by dieing prematurely is a massive benefit to the system.
Considering that I come from a place where exit et al. aren't allowed, it doesn't surprise me that nursing homes with top medical care cost peanuts there. And, there are no children there in CZ, either. It will be Japan, soon.
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Yep. This.

Also, all my past employers had different % for non mandatory insurance, and I can assure you that women % were higher and, at the end of the month, you could see the difference in salary. A little bit of this, a little bit of that ...

And don't get me started on age! Health insurance for women past 45 is way more expensive than it is for men the same age.

As you said, because women utilize more services (like breast cancer screenings, or pregnancies), they cost more (in theory) ...
That's supplemental insurance and people's free choice.

Do you get similarly outraged by the lower premiums women pay for their car kasko insurance?
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While I agree with others that better access to day care and introduction of day schools would be good changes to consider, I'd like to add the following four additional legal and constitutional inequalities to the conversation:
  1. mandatory military service
  2. mandatory civil defense service
  3. unequal widows' and widower's pension
  4. unequal protection of bodily integrity
Women pay the same percentages into old age pension insurance (pillars 1 and 2) but benefit almost 25% longer. They clearly profit off the men's payments.

Not legal discriminationi but factual:
Matura rate among girls/women is about 50% higher than among boys/men. The school system clearly favors the girls.
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Not legal discrimination but factual:
Matura rate among girls/women is about 50% higher than among boys/men. The school system clearly favors the girls.
There was an interesting analysis in Zürich a few years back. To figure out whether kids with migration background face unfair hurdles at the entry exam to the "long-term" gymnasium (direct transition from primary school to Gymnasium) every kid did a general test for cognitive abilities in addition to the entrance exam.

In general, around 50% of kids pass the direct entrance exam. However, there was a number of kids who belonged in the top-10% category in the test for general cognitive abilities, who either did not pass the exam or who were dismissed from the Gymnasium in the initial trial period. Interestingly, it was not kids with migration background who were overrepresented in that category but boys.

So, I'd agree that the current school system definitely does not fair well in uncovering and promoting the abilities of a certain group of kids, and it does look like boys are overrepresented in that group. The different development stages of boys and girls in that early age might also play an important role.
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There was an interesting analysis in Zürich a few years back. To figure out whether kids with migration background face unfair hurdles at the entry exam to the "long-term" gymnasium (direct transition from primary school to Gymnasium) every kid did a general test for cognitive abilities in addition to the entrance exam.

In general, around 50% of kids pass the direct entrance exam. However, there was a number of kids who belonged in the top-10% category in the test for general cognitive abilities, who either did not pass the exam or who were dismissed from the Gymnasium in the initial trial period. Interestingly, it was not kids with migration background who were overrepresented in that category but boys.

So, I'd agree that the current school system definitely does not fair well in uncovering and promoting the abilities of a certain group of kids, and it does look like boys are overrepresented in that group. The different development stages of boys and girls in that early age might also play an important role.
Yes. This theory (truth, really), is known for ever and internationally. I think it is slowly changing by promoting more mixed team and group work. Shared knowledge, group results. But it will take another 30 years I think. Boys tend to fail to launch, girls tend to be plagued by anxiety, these symptoms are different. The definition of an academic success is affecting them differently - either doesn't suit or inhibits by fear.
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They do, isn't it.

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Don't forget the discipline!
I'm afraid we both need a bit more of that, Rufus! For some reason this lockdown has aggravated my predisposition to dissipate my energy into more things than I can handle, but I do try.

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They do.
Indeed, some even switch, it's big in Zurich according to a friend.

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Lol, you meant other type of.....discipline. Something along the line of Fifty shades...

Nah, I was thinking of totally different things.
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Re: Equal rights for women

They are pushing the pension age higher because basically many people at that age are tired. They don't high the strength or energy . So when they get into their 60s thy have had it. If they leave before the mandatory retirement age they get less. The government pays less.
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To talk of 50 shades in the feminist thread is real fun.

Respek me while you punish my bum. Feminism defined.
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To talk of 50 shades in the feminist thread is real fun.

Respek me while you punish my bum. Feminism defined.
I made the mistake to open the link FMF has posted. I think it's not the first time he posted stuff like that, but hey ho, I don't judge.
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Peterson was right with his "girls want a bad guy", not sure if he meant spankage...probably not. Maybe he will get inspired on EF. Equal rights!
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What on earth??? And this is the general mysogny inherent in health care. No.
Yes, it's very true.

My wife goes regularly, I only go if an emergency, and never get above half of my CHF 2500 deductable except twice in 35 years.

I preferred it when health insurance was not obligatory.

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