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There is a placed called Frauenfeld in CH, what did they do to Mannerfeld? This much for gender equality.
You've obviously never been to Männlichen

Edit: And of course, there's Männedorf.
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Old 18.03.2021, 00:06
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You've obviously never been to Männlichen

Edit: And of course, there's Männedorf.
Exactly. All male peasants were sent to villages whereas all exclusive female occupied green pastures.
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Does anyone else find 'Frauenparkplätze' offensive?

I once took a ride on a female-only Mexico City metro after several failed attempts at boarding normal packed-like-sardines metro cars with a large backpack (the metro cops ushered us into the female car)

It was lovely. Loads of space. Smelled like potpourri.

Totally unfair.
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Not really, they are larger than normal "man-sized" Parkplätze so that even a woman can park without a problem, so let´s give them that
Our neighbour has really bad parking skills which she displayed on three different occasions (in a year) so I would (reluctantly I should add) agree with you on this one... We'll see how high our insurance will be next year..

As for separated metro cars, I admit I was stricken with the same type of envy when I was crammed at second class and had a glimpse into the relaxed atmosphere of the first class. lol We're all humans.
I can't comment on Mexico City, I have no idea why they decided to have separate metro cars. There must be a reason. Dunno.

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I strongly disagree and am grateful for those parking spots. I have never felt completely comfortable walking into the far corners of a large parking spot after dusk.
This looks like a scene from a horror movie to me... But seriously now, I don't have these fears. I don't want to dismiss them, mind, I'm sure shit happens. I think public parking garages have surveillance cameras. Not that it would detract a predator, but I think these cases are still very, very rare.

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Re: Equal rights for women

I don't know if it's been mentioned already in the thread.
But there is an important difference between:
  • Equality - treating everyone the same; and
  • Equity - removing obstacles to provide equal opportunity
I think the world should strive for the second one.


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There is a placed called Frauenfeld in CH, what did they do to Mannerfeld?

They renamed it to gender-neutral Wankdorf, a very friendly and sticky place



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They renamed it to gender-neutral Wankdorf, a very friendly and sticky place



Whch one is your bike?

I am waiting for the 5th wave feminism to ask for genderless bikes.

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I don't know if it's been mentioned already in the thread.
But there is an important difference between:
  • Equality - treating everyone the same; and
  • Equity - removing obstacles to provide equal opportunity
I think the world should strive for the second one.


P.S. You can see I'm fresh out of the company D&I training.
They gave you copyrighted guidelines to determine the allowed level of diversity and sameness? How to identify what a healthy and an unhealthy obstacle is? How to remove it and from whom? All this is quite a matter of semantics with serious consequences. And extreme micromanagement.
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They gave you copyrighted guidelines to determine the allowed level of diversity and sameness? How to identify what a healthy and an unhealthy obstacle is? How to remove it and from whom? All this is quite a matter of semantics with serious consequences. And extreme micromanagement.
Take it easy.
It's obvious that no solution will ever be perfect.
It's the goal and striving to improve things that matters.
Interpretations will of course differ widely.


If I am a recruiter and state "we don't shortlist this woman because she has a kid and wants another one" - it's quite obvious that needs to be dealt with, or?

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Old 18.03.2021, 11:46
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They renamed it to gender-neutral Wankdorf, a very friendly and sticky place



You would be lucky if you ended up in Boningen SO (canton Solothurn) instead of Wankdorf BE

Despite not so much going on there, at least at the day lights ...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boningen?wprov=sfti1
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If I am a recruiter and state "we don't shortlist this woman because she has a kid and wants another one" - it's quite obvious that needs to be dealt with, or?
Well, if it comes from a man maybe the idea will get a better reception.
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Old 18.03.2021, 12:04
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If I am a recruiter and state "we don't shortlist this woman because she has a kid and wants another one" - it's quite obvious that needs to be dealt with, or?
Easy commission, find someone who will not want to stay
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Both men & women pay for that
In your world, maybe.
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I don't know if it's been mentioned already in the thread.
But there is an important difference between:
  • Equality - treating everyone the same; and
  • Equity - removing obstacles to provide equal opportunity
I think the world should strive for the second one.


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I always saw equities as securities to be traded. Equal gain, no need to be insecure about it
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To talk of 50 shades in the feminist thread is real fun.

Respek me while you punish my bum. Feminism defined.
That's not feminism.

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Yes. This theory (truth, really), is known for ever and internationally. I think it is slowly changing by promoting more mixed team and group work. Shared knowledge, group results. But it will take another 30 years I think. Boys tend to fail to launch, girls tend to be plagued by anxiety, these symptoms are different. The definition of an academic success is affecting them differently - either doesn't suit or inhibits by fear.
Lots of success in the UK doing just this: target the boys and the girls will also benefit. I would disagree about anxiety only affecting the girls though. Is both IME.

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Yes, it's very true.

My wife goes regularly, I only go if an emergency, and never get above half of my CHF 2500 deductable except twice in 35 years.

I preferred it when health insurance was not obligatory.

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Hmmm, my advice: don't go only if an emergency.

The discussion about discipline started from here and I feel obligated to continue my line of thought.

Yes, I think it's true that many men neglect their health and not only that, they are reluctant to follow up check-ups, treatments etc. Or they do, but as soon as they feel OK again they forget. Not all, of course.

I think women are more disciplined than men in this regard, they have to. If you're not up on your feet who's gonna take care of the family. So maybe that's why we become a bit hypochondriac.
Yes exactly.

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At the expense of men's/trans'/etc safety?
Statistically women are at greater risk. Safe spaces are necessary.


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That’s a bit like saying Arabs deserve to get „randomly selected“ at airport checks... because that discrimination was brought on them by very few Arab terrorists.
Lots of debate about this, particularly following the horrific kidnap and murder of Sarah Everard. Women/girls are more vulnerable. Fact.

To borrow a statement I saw: it's not that all men do, it's that all men can.

This is a fact that has to be understood and accepted. Women need women only (biological women) spaces.


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You implied that women's fears are only in their minds. In my younger years, I have been put in uncomfortable situations by strange men whose behaviour was questionable. There were moments when I was relieved to be in my locked car. I'm sure there many other female posters who have also their own stories.
Exactly.

Took my 6ft martial-arts loving OH quite a while to understand why I felt uncomfortable walking in certain places at certain times while he did not.

Unless you've experienced, from age 12, being honked at, whistled at, told to "smile, luv", had men get too close or handsy without permission on nights out, been followed down the street, comments about cleavage, bra size, been rubbed up against on public transport, walked home with your keys poking through your knuckles, had friends text you to say they got home safely, thinking twice about getting in a taxi alone, been upskirted...then it's likely you are male. And your lived experience is not the same as as that of women/ girls.

It's not paranoia. It's not being a victim. It's an ingrained understanding that we are more at risk than men.

Lots of advice to women about how to stay safe and avoid dangerous situations. What us actually needed is for the message to get out to those fellas who need to be told that their behaviour is unacceptable.

If this post has pissed you off, congratulations. You'll be an entirely decent man who would never dream of putting their hands on someone without their consent or indeed doing anything threatening. Educate your sons the same way.
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That's not feminism.



Lots of success in the UK doing just this: target the boys and the girls will also benefit. I would disagree about anxiety only affecting the girls though. Is both IME.




Anecdote. Not truth.


Yes exactly.


Statistically women are at greater risk. Safe spaces are necessary.




Lots of debate about this, particularly following the horrific kidnap and murder of Sarah Everard. Women/girls are more vulnerable. Fact.

To borrow a statement I saw: it's not that all men do, it's that all men can.

This is a fact that has to be understood and accepted. Women need women only (biological women) spaces.




Exactly.

Took my 6ft martial-arts loving OH quite a while to understand why I felt uncomfortable walking in certain places at certain times while he did not.

Unless you've experienced, from age 12, being honked at, whistled at, told to "smile, luv", had men get too close or handsy without permission on nights out, been followed down the street, comments about cleavage, bra size, been rubbed up against on public transport, walked home with your keys poking through your knuckles, had friends text you to say they got home safely, thinking twice about getting in a taxi alone, been upskirted...then it's likely you are male. And your lived experience is not the same as as that of women/ girls.

It's not paranoia. It's not being a victim. It's an ingrained understanding that we are more at risk than men.

Lots of advice to women about how to stay safe and avoid dangerous situations. What us actually needed is for the message to get out to those fellas who need to be told that their behaviour is unacceptable.

If this post has pissed you off, congratulations. You'll be an entirely decent man who would never dream of putting their hands on someone without their consent or indeed doing anything threatening. Educate your sons the same way.
Do you accept that women are not equal to men? You seem to present a very strong argument for the case.

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Do you accept that women are not equal to men? You seem to prevent a very strong argument for the case.
In which sense are they not equal? Physical strength, confidence, what?

Perhaps RufusB will answer when she'll know what you mean, highly advisable.
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Do you accept that women are not equal to men? You seem to prevent a very strong argument for the case.
You're not listening. And I'm doing no such thing.

I'm saying that societally, women are more vulnerable than men. That's why women only spaces are needed. Women are at greater risk of being assaulted and murdered.

It's not an equality issue. It's a society / culture issue.

Mr Rufus is much bigger and stronger than me. Fact. He's often one of the biggest in a room. Fact. He's aware of that and never uses his size to intimidate. Some fellas are aware and yet do purposefully intimidate. I've never humped a stranger's leg while on the tube even though, technically, I have the ability. That's the point.

And if you can't see that then you're either being deliberately obtuse or, have had a very privileged/sheltered life indeed.
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In which sense are they not equal? Physical strength, confidence, what?

Perhaps RufusB will answer when she'll know what you mean, highly advisable.
Rufus was claiming women are not as strong as men, whilst a generalisation I don't think it's universally true.
It's not an acceptable for an employer to use this 'line of thought' against women, so a reasonable enough question.

Women's tennis v Mens tennis, prizes are higher for men but a women would never win the singles championship unless separated.
Is it fair to have a lower level competition just so a woman can win? having your cake & eating it if you ask me
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Rufus was claiming women are not as strong as men, whilst a generalisation I don't think it's universally true.
It's not an acceptable for an employer to use this 'line of thought' against women, so a reasonable enough question.

Women's tennis v Mens tennis, prizes are higher for men but a women would never win the singles championship unless separated.
Is it fair to have a lower level competition just so a woman can win? having your cake & eating it if you ask me
Menustrate for 30 years, bear a few children and then come back to me about equality.
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Women are at greater risk of being assaulted and murdered.
Assaulted, yes, but it's men who have a far greater risk of being murdered.

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