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Old 02.06.2021, 23:19
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Re: Swiss/EU negotiations: what's the bottom line?

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To me it seems to be the FT's commentators who are cherry picking the facts.

... and the geography as well.

I thought Swexit was for the other Switzerland, Swaziland place, whatever.
…I thought you'll say Sweden, not Swaziland(an absolute monarchy)…but Sweden is a bad example for right establishment...done well in the ,,Evil Union''...EU to blame on everything...why EU accepted ,,those 11''...Brexit and now Swexit is happening only because of ,,those 11''...
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…I thought you'll say Sweden, not Swaziland(an absolute monarchy)…but Sweden is a bad example for right establishment...done well in the ,,Evil Union''...EU to blame on everything...why EU accepted ,,those 11''...Brexit and now Swexit is happening only because of ,,those 11''...
Yes, and don't forget not everyone has to be a part of anything. It's like in a marriage, you can deal with a lot of deprivations and struggles but not with a bitter woman/man.
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Old 03.06.2021, 13:39
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Yes, and don't forget not everyone has to be a part of anything. It's like in a marriage, you can deal with a lot of deprivations and struggles but not with a bitter woman/man.
Nobody forced anybody to marry a bitter man / woman / non-binary form.

If they turned bitter after marriage, it's not always 100% the other person's fault.
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Old 03.06.2021, 13:41
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Indeed, there should be a perfect solution. A good enough solution must not distract us from the search of perfect
because intolerance is a "good enough" solution?
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Old 03.06.2021, 15:44
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Nobody forced anybody to marry a bitter man / woman / non-binary form.

If they turned bitter after marriage, it's not always 100% the other person's fault.
Like Brexit, then.

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Old 04.06.2021, 13:38
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Re: Swiss/EU negotiations: what's the bottom line?

Speaking of "like Brexit", here is an article from NZZ on how Brexiteers seem to confuse the Swiss decision against the Rahmenabkommen for something similar to Brexit. Sounds familiar to some of the comments here.

In German, and possibly paywall.

https://www.nzz.ch/schweiz/sieben-ja...uen-ld.1628679
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Old 04.06.2021, 13:49
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Speaking of "like Brexit", here is an article from NZZ on how Brexiteers seem to confuse the Swiss decision against the Rahmenabkommen for something similar to Brexit. Sounds familiar to some of the comments here.

In German, and possibly paywall.

https://www.nzz.ch/schweiz/sieben-ja...uen-ld.1628679
There has definitely a watershed and people are no longer accepting whatever the EU dictates just to be allowed to be members, or something similar to membership.

But I'm happy that the EU keeps on telling itself this is not so. The less they are willing to accept any of the blame, the sooner they will crash and it will all be over.
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Old 04.06.2021, 14:41
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because intolerance is a "good enough" solution?
We just need to sit and wait for the EU to propose a final solution.

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We just need to sit and wait for the EU to propose a final solution.

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If you’re subject to anyone’s tender mercies, the last “final solution” on record would suggest anything but sitting and waiting…
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Old 04.06.2021, 16:30
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There has definitely a watershed and people are no longer accepting whatever the EU dictates just to be allowed to be members, or something similar to membership.

But I'm happy that the EU keeps on telling itself this is not so. The less they are willing to accept any of the blame, the sooner they will crash and it will all be over.
I think you missed the point of the article. Must be this snapping reflex when someone mentions EU.
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Old 04.06.2021, 17:49
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I think you missed the point of the article. Must be this snapping reflex when someone mentions EU.
It seems to me the snapping reflex is entirely yours.

I hope it made you feel better.
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Old 04.06.2021, 18:45
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It seems to me the snapping reflex is entirely yours.

I hope it made you feel better.
I thought the article made an interesting point. So yes, thanks.
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Old 04.06.2021, 19:53
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Re: Swiss/EU negotiations: what's the bottom line?

I thanked your post 266 only for <<Brexiteers seem to confuse the Swiss decision against the Rahmenabkommen for something similar to Brexit. Sounds familiar to some of the comments here. >>
No idea why Brits think it's anything alike. We're not leaving as we were never in and don't want to be.
I do share amogle's hope that EU dissolves sooner rather than later, it's a tiring bunch.

The link to the article, being behind a paywall, was useless to most of us so can't be discussed.
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Old 04.06.2021, 19:55
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I do share amogle's hope that EU dissolves sooner rather than later, it's a tiring bunch.
Alas, you misspelled 'bitch'.

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Old 04.06.2021, 20:19
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Alas, you misspelled 'bitch'.

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Naaa, I'm not the least bit emotional about them or any particular members.
The idea is crap, it constantly proves itself to be crap. Even their richest members can't keep their own (Euro-) standards while the poorest don't profit (except maybe they get freer access to get exploited)..... what ever, no point in actually getting into it.

"Die Anstalt" on German tv often takes the trouble to reveal lots of the power-play and pranks, legalized by EU. Sometimes one forgets to laugh (it's meant to be political cabaret).

Communities socially function better when smaller. Business should be kept to supply and demand solely.
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Re: Swiss/EU negotiations: what's the bottom line?

Funny.

I am not a fan of the EU as it is, you can criticize power-craving bureaucrats in BXL who always seem to be on the moral highgrounds, a weird mix of powers between the institutions, and lame decision making processes which to be fair are due to the members not walking the talk.

All that said, in my view there can be no doubt that the European economic integration, the common market, is a great success and that any of its members would be worse off without it. Also Switzerland benefits greatly from being part of the common market. So wishing for the EU to break apart is in my view a hilarious conclusion.

Like I wrote many posts ago, what I am missing is a balanced, sober and rational assessment of the pro and cons. Not stupid bashing of either "exiteers" or "anything EU".

Now groan.
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Naaa, I'm not the least bit emotional about them or any particular members.
The idea is crap, it constantly proves itself to be crap. Even their richest members can't keep their own (Euro-) standards while the poorest don't profit (except maybe they get freer access to get exploited)....
This. And they get their mouth shut with "but your corruption". Yes, corruption at some places. But then you get the EU mogul states and EU's institutionalized corruption and open favoritism.

Globalization never works out for the benefit of single, individual local communities.

"Common market" works on no ethic grounds, just a larger space to be exploited by easier acces given to multinational corporations. I think smaller companies can use it too, but they can never successfully compete. It's institutionalized protectionism of the chosen few.

I think CH is smarter and with high costs comes a healthy dose of pragmatism.
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Alas, you misspelled 'bitch'.

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Glad to see your terminology slowly but surely improving!
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Old 04.06.2021, 21:41
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Now groan.
Consider my "thanks" to be a virtual "groan"!

Sort of like a suthruner saying "Bless Your Heart".

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Consider my "thanks" to be a virtual "groan"!

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All very confusing. The only thing I know for sure: I want to rob Junckers' wine cellar.
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