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Old 04.06.2021, 22:14
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Re: Swiss/EU negotiations: what's the bottom line?

…I assuming that none of the commentators are from continent, otherwise will understand the importance of European structure as the opposition to Americanisation...EU been created to keep the continents country united, to not fight each other, how the outsiders would like to see...Europeans killing each other...of course all big structure comes with big bureaucratic apparatus, but that is happening also in USA, the only difference USA have a huge Army and around 200 military bases outside of them borders...if to chose between European Socialism and American Imperialism, I will chose first...
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Old 04.06.2021, 22:36
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…I assuming that none of the commentators are from continent, otherwise will understand the importance of European structure as the opposition to Americanisation...EU been created to keep the continents country united, to not fight each other, how the outsiders would like to see...Europeans killing each other...
There are other ways to achieve that. NATO for example.

Furthermore, I think most people who criticize the EU do not oppose the concept of European collaboration and friendship. That could happen without the EU in its present form. Many other regions of the world live in peace without the need for peace being used as a platform for empire building ambitions.

I can only speak for myself but I do think there should be some level of organized cooperation on a European level, but that it should be restricted to well defined and agreed areas. I used to think the EU could be reformed to somehow become that but I now believe the EU is beyond reform.

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of course all big structure comes with big bureaucratic apparatus, but that is happening also in USA, the only difference USA have a huge Army and around 200 military bases outside of them borders...if to chose between European Socialism and American Imperialism, I will chose first...
Socialism and imperialism are two sides of the same coin.

There are alternatives to both.
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Old 04.06.2021, 23:02
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Many other regions of the world live in peace without the need for peace being used as a platform for empire building ambitions.

I can only speak for myself but I do think there should be some level of organized cooperation on a European level, but that it should be restricted to well defined and agreed areas. I used to think the EU could be reformed to somehow become that but I now believe the EU is beyond reform

Socialism and imperialism are two sides of the same coin.

There are alternatives to both.
…then in the same way, we can oppose to the structures as USA, the most indebted country in the world, an Empire who fight with everyone...those who oppose to the EU, are ruled by slogan: divide et impera...
…I not meant the soviet socialism, I meant the Swedish Socialism...
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…I not meant the soviet socialism, I meant the Swedish Socialism...
Just as bad, if not worse.

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Just as bad, if not worse.

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…did you lived in any of them? or just commenting under consumerist propaganda...there are different types of socialism in Europe...most of Europe countries are socialist...
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…then in the same way, we can oppose to the structures as USA, the most indebted country in the world, an Empire who fight with everyone...those who oppose to the EU, are ruled by slogan: divide et impera...
…I not meant the soviet socialism, I meant the Swedish Socialism...
I've never been under the impression, the USA is a well functioning structure.
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Old 05.06.2021, 21:30
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…then in the same way, we can oppose to the structures as USA, the most indebted country in the world, an Empire who fight with everyone...those who oppose to the EU, are ruled by slogan: divide et impera...
…I not meant the soviet socialism, I meant the Swedish Socialism...
I admire the USA for a variety of reasons but their imperialism is not among those reasons .

The European Union is also increasingly developing into an imperialist construct.
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Old 05.06.2021, 21:35
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I see it more as consumerism. Imperialism requires more control then letting all be run by consumption.
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...so evident, who is wining out of the global game...the masquerade...
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…did you lived in any of them? or just commenting under consumerist propaganda...there are different types of socialism in Europe...most of Europe countries are socialist...
I kind of have doubts about the last statement. I think you have the Nordic ones which combine a strong pro-business environment with real and effective measures of social protection and development, France which struggles to keep the workers out of relative poverty and or exploitation, but it's also deeply capitalist, and pretty much the rest following this pattern, in various degrees and combinations.
I think the capital is the most protected thing in Europe, which to me does not really look like socialism. When something goes wrong with the economy, to quote a character from a movie they all "Blame the poor and the immigrants".

Btw, you sure you're allowed to post anything from The Economist here? It's a leftist newspaper according to EF's dominant voices and never to be trusted. I would be more careful next time, you don't want to be virtually lynched here.

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Old 06.06.2021, 22:34
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I see it more as consumerism. Imperialism requires more control then letting all be run by consumption.
Imperialism means the building of empires .

The definition does not specify the purpose or the means .

Socialism can be imperialist . The USSR definitely was .
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Imperialism means the building of empires .

The definition does not specify the purpose or the means .

Socialism can be imperialist . The USSR definitely was .
Sure. I said that I doubt that the US is organized enough to do so.

I think the EU isn't either. Яцsšїa and China are much more organized. The US is busy consuming and doing the woke stuff.
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I kind of have doubts about the last statement. I think you have the Nordic ones which combine a strong pro-business environment with real and effective measures of social protection and development, France which struggles to keep the workers out of relative poverty and or exploitation, but it's also deeply capitalist, and pretty much the rest following this pattern, in various degrees and combinations.
I think the capital is the most protected thing in Europe, which to me does not really look like socialism. When something goes wrong with the economy, to quote a character from a movie they all "Blame the poor and the immigrants".

Btw, you sure you're allowed to post anything from The Economist here? It's a leftist newspaper according to EF's dominant voices and never to be trusted. I would be more careful next time, you don't want to be virtually lynched here.
…I didn't said that they are completely socialist, most partially to a some degree, but as soon the 20% of the population are on state benefit, then is socialist...if more than 60% of infrastructure owned by state, health system, educational system, etc...then is socialist...
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Imperialism means the building of empires .

The definition does not specify the purpose or the means .

Socialism can be imperialist . The USSR definitely was .
…I lived in USSR, this country never was socialist...it was an Empire that Hitler was dreaming, an nationalist-communist Russian Empire, who subjugated nations and cleansed ethnically in the name of so called socialism or fake communism that never happened...Socialism never can build an Empire as the capital evenly distributed...
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The European Union is also increasingly developing into an imperialist construct.
Seriously? I thought the EU was weak and soft and full of give-aways?
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