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Re: Swiss/EU negotiations: what's the bottom line?

I do apologize, my laps, I should say colonialism and not colonisation, which was exploitation of economic opportunities with a help of state bullying. British navy was happily collecting private debts.


If you think that the poor eastern countries are unconditionally happy since their inclusion in E you are simply wrong.


In unevenly developed world it is not enough if capital has the ability to move freely around, there should be also the ability of people to move where jobs are. Common market doesn't work well in separated societies. Common societies need some level of redistribution and assistance.


All those things already exist, we are just talking what level is the right one, so societies does work and people can fulfil their ideas freely. There is no need to think about such questions in absolutes, like no movement, no market, or absolute movement etc.


As ex-Yugoslavian I learned something: everyone is thinking he is it the one contributing the most. Only after things blow up, people see what they have lost and there are probably better ways to approach problems.
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Old 29.04.2021, 23:21
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Thanks to curley for correcting the preposterous Hitler Youth allegation. You got there first.

Women in politics are not fair game for any and all types of slander, though it targets them disproportionately. And nobody gets any bigger by belittling others.

https://carnegieendowment.org/2020/1...tics-pub-83331
She is still evil, like most EU politicians, regardless of sex.

As I said, Junkie was no better.

I have nothing against female politicians, I like Brenda and Thatcher, but I dislike EU politicians in general, and German politicians in particular.

Alas, she is both!

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They worried she'd make a fuss like Helmut Kohl.
Gotta love this.

Some take action immediately. A feminist will accept it but claim sexism later on while complaining very bitterly and acting the victim even though she's one of the most powerful people in the world. Still others (e.g. Juncker) shrug their shoulders, make the best of it, and avoid taking it personally.
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Thanks to curley for correcting the preposterous Hitler Youth allegation. You got there first.

Women in politics are not fair game for any and all types of slander, though it targets them disproportionately. And nobody gets any bigger by belittling others.

https://carnegieendowment.org/2020/1...tics-pub-83331
There are times and places in politics where there is clear sexism but this is simply crying wolf.

Funny you went for sexism when racism (calling a German politician a member of the Hitler youth) would have been the more obvious conclusion - but maybe facts don't matter anymore in some kinds of Victorian politics so much as the division between the righteous and the sinful.

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Old 30.04.2021, 06:07
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She is still evil, like most EU politicians, regardless of sex.

As I said, Junkie was no better.

I have nothing against female politicians, I like Brenda and Thatcher, but I dislike EU politicians in general, and German politicians in particular.

Alas, she is both!

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Old 30.04.2021, 06:13
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If you think that the poor eastern countries are unconditionally happy since their inclusion in E you are simply wrong.
This. For a bunch of reasons - there is the old hierarchy while the globalisation mantra is being pushed when it suits. You see it the most in EU pandemixs 'strategy' (or lack there of), in EU answer (or lack there of) to Russia meddling in individual states autonomy, etc.
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Old 30.04.2021, 08:21
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She is still evil, like most EU politicians, regardless of sex.

As I said, Junkie was no better.

I have nothing against female politicians, I like Brenda and Thatcher, but I dislike EU politicians in general, and German politicians in particular.

Alas, she is both!

Tom
I like her, and I usually dislike both too (not all).
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Old 30.04.2021, 08:43
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She is still evil, like most EU politicians, regardless of sex.
She's harmless and weak. Just look at how she (and the other EU guy) reacted in Erdogan's game with the chairs. This wouldn't have happened to a leader.
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She's harmless and weak. Just look at how she (and the other EU guy) reacted in Erdogan's game with the chairs. This wouldn't have happened to a leader.
What was she supposed to do? Aren't we blaming the victim here? Both males were very disrespectful, what can one do in such situation? I think she froze. Don't mistake that for weakness.
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What was she supposed to do? Aren't we blaming the victim here? Both males were very disrespectful, what can one do in such situation? I think she froze. Don't mistake that for weakness.
Both should have walked out. If you are in such a position, you should understand power play.
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.... If you think that the poor eastern countries are unconditionally happy since their inclusion in E you are simply wrong.....
They're not, they just swapped masters. Instead of being threatened they are now blackmailed into how to run their countries.

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Thanks to curley for correcting the preposterous Hitler Youth allegation. You got there first.

Women in politics are not fair game for any and all types of slander, though it targets them disproportionately. And nobody gets any bigger by belittling others.

https://carnegieendowment.org/2020/1...tics-pub-83331
Any NS remarks about people of today are out of order.

Woman in politics are as much fair game to slander as men in politics are. Either all or none. None would be best as they're doing a job, which can be criticized without getting personal.

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What was she supposed to do? Aren't we blaming the victim here? Both males were very disrespectful, what can one do in such situation? I think she froze. Don't mistake that for weakness.
I would have said something like "will you fetch me a decent chair or could you only afford to buy those three" (or how ever many there were). For the journalists - and therefore the world - to hear. Someone like Erdoğan would not like this.
Or I would have ordered one of my own delegation kindly but firmly to sit on the sofa.
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Old 30.04.2021, 09:19
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Both should have walked out. If you are in such a position, you should understand power play.
Ha. I would have done this if at stake wasn't a whole bunch of countries I represented. I maintain my view - she froze. It happens even to the best of us.
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She's harmless and weak. Just look at how she (and the other EU guy) reacted in Erdogan's game with the chairs. This wouldn't have happened to a leader.
Don't talk like about the Turkish Lira, she's the pride of Erdogan
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She's harmless and weak. Just look at how she (and the other EU guy) reacted in Erdogan's game with the chairs. This wouldn't have happened to a leader.
During her time as Defence Minister, the German army was so under-equipped it had to use broomsticks instead of machine guns.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/g...-gun-glnqbndf6
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Still others (e.g. Juncker) shrug their shoulders, make the best of it, and avoid taking it personally.
The cognac helps of course.
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Old 30.04.2021, 15:28
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She's harmless and weak.
I think it is harmful to be weak as a Chief of the EU. She told the states not to close borders at the beginning of the pandemics. Be solidary.
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Agreed, the Junkie was no better than the current idiote.

Tom
but more amusing
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She is still evil, like most EU politicians, regardless of sex.

As I said, Junkie was no better.

I have nothing against female politicians..
Is Macron going to make Le Pen win?
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Is Leyden a politician or a banker?
a city actually.
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Old 30.04.2021, 15:40
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a city actually.
Oops. I should type slower

I don't care, btw, about the chair incident. Wasn't it just a benign fluke?
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