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Is Macron going to make Le Pen win?
My guess, no. He will do a Theresa May and hang on despite being crap because his opponent is completely unelectable.

If this was FPTP she *might* be able to win on a heavily split electorate, but the French system kills her. She cannot get 50% of the vote in the second round. More than 50% of the population would never vote for a far right party (perhaps the exception would be if the opponent was far left).

Bland incompetent beats wacked out extremist.
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Re: Swiss/EU negotiations: what's the bottom line?

So the bottom line is that this thread has become a hang out for the non-Swiss anti-EU fraction. Funny.
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So the bottom line is that this thread has become a hang out for the non-Swiss anti-EU fraction. Funny.
I have nothing against the EU. But where's the benefit if the EU dominates in the negotiations? We don't live there.
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They are only high when compared to foreign currencies at current exchange rates.

When I first came here it was 2.3CHF/USD, now it is less than 1!

Tom
evidence of Uncle Sam's machines being twice more efficient than Swiss when printing money ...
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I have nothing against the EU. But where's the benefit if the EU dominates in the negotiations? We don't live there.
Oh I agree. But this here is just EU bashing without any substance on the matter.

It seems clear that the agreement in its current form is dead. I miss a strategy what is next. Yes, nothing will happen in the short term so it may be the lazy choice to just play disappointed for a few years - but it will be a slowly growing pain for more and more industries that lose the automatic acceptance of standards etc, soft trade barriers will grow.

Not to say that CH should give in, they shouldn't. But like any good compromise, it will need face saving on both sides.
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The cognac helps of course.
Whatever floats your boat, alcohol is less heavy than water

Rumor has it that it was a "game" by Michel, apparently Uschi and Michel have been in a power struggle since day one. But that's inconceivable for the feminists and woketivists, to them sexism is the only possible reason for such an incident.
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So the bottom line is that this thread has become a hang out for the non-Swiss anti-EU fraction. Funny.

They're only concerned about CH....

But seriously: spot on.
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Oh I agree. But this here is just EU bashing without any substance on the matter.

It seems clear that the agreement in its current form is dead. I miss a strategy what is next. Yes, nothing will happen in the short term so it may be the lazy choice to just play disappointed for a few years - but it will be a slowly growing pain for more and more industries that lose the automatic acceptance of standards etc, soft trade barriers will grow.

Not to say that CH should give in, they shouldn't. But like any good compromise, it will need face saving on both sides.
Indeed, all the name-calling is ridiculous. This is about money, hope the Swiss don't lose too much on the negotiations and we're fine.
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I have nothing against the EU.
Sank you.
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Re: Swiss/EU negotiations: what's the bottom line?

Couchepin's perspective. Interesting angle on China/US vs EU relations of CH.

https://www.blick.ch/politik/couchep...d16495725.html
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I think it is harmful to be weak as a Chief of the EU. She told the states not to close borders at the beginning of the pandemics. Be solidary.
Wait: are we talking von der Leyen or Merkel now? Merkel‘s response was partly one to Orban‘s, who simply refused to stick to any of the deals about distributing refugees that Hungary accepted entering the EU. (Admittedly this bit is from memory.) This kind of cherry-picking is a problem. In Poland too. Makes me personally despair of the EU far more than Germany.
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I have nothing against the EU. But where's the benefit if the EU dominates in the negotiations? We don't live there.
I detest the EU.

And I don't live there.

Tom
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Wait: are we talking von der Leyen or Merkel now?
The Lying Muschi.

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I detest the EU.

And I don't live there.

Tom
I sensed that despite your very subtle posts.
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The Lying Muschi.

Tom
You used the "M-Wort" instead of "C-word" in order to be politically correct, right?

We're impressed.
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You used the "M-Wort" instead of "C-word" in order to be politically correct, right?

We're impressed.
Actually, I just added an 'M" to her name.

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You used the "M-Wort" instead of "C-word" in order to be politically correct, right?

We're impressed.
Muschi means pussy, not c*nt. That would be (Drecks-)Fotze (Futz in Swiss German) or similar.
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Couchepin's perspective. Interesting angle on China/US vs EU relations of CH.

https://www.blick.ch/politik/couchep...d16495725.html
He's right with the reproach that the council isn't leading. I don't think it has for 15-20 years, since it became clear that the population wants to stay out of the EU (strictly speaking joining wouldn't be leading either, just following the neighbor countries). Unfortunately Couchepin's not really in a position to advise, it was he with his neoliberal stance who let the Schweizerische Serum- und Impfinstitut (Berna Biotech later on) go down the drain, we could have used their expertise and capacities in the ongoing pandemic very well.

The other problem is that the citizens refuse to go where the council wants to lead them to, there won't be any moving closer to the EU. Now that financial debts are taken on jointly in the EU that applies even less than before.

I believe scaling back the Bilaterale I+II to a free trade agreement would pass with flying colors even with automatic adaptation of EU law and accepting the ECJ's authority. But that's not what the council wants nor the political parties (except one), so it won't happen either.
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I believe scaling back the Bilaterale I+II to a free trade agreement would pass with flying colors even with automatic adaptation of EU law and accepting the ECJ's authority. But that's not what the council wants nor the political parties (except one), so it won't happen either.
Not what business wants either.
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Wait: are we talking von der Leyen or Merkel now?
Leyen. Lemi help you out. She has shamed some EU states for closing borders to protect their people from the early pandemics - when the VIP states were taking too long to even acknowledge Covid19.

It is really interesting, how in the West it seems to me that EU is popular with left leaning folks. Or maybe some kind of champaign socialists. In the Eastern Europe - the EU will be popular with the right leaning populists, wanting fat subsidies for independent business and globalized free market (which is an oxymoron I guess). EU is too slow in effectuating changes, for the leftist in the EE.
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