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Old 06.05.2021, 21:30
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Not an EU fan myself. Too big, too bureaucratic.

Quite apart from that, the M and C posts do rather prove the point I was trying to make earlier, about women (politicians or otherwise) not being fair game for this kind of slur. When men get bashed it‘s usually about their levels of competence. With women, it‘s basically anything. Hairdo, private life, private parts. M, C, who cares? Either one is so completely beside the point that I‘m surprised most of the women present seem to make a point of being seen not to mind, i.e. „being good sports“. Thing is, it’s not a sport. Tom and Urs probably don‘t have daughters. I do. What‘s more, like most women, I‘ve been felt up by complete strangers and had worse done to me by a young neighbour as a kid. I find the laddish humour on EF demeaning and primitive, and everybody else‘s near-silence enabling. No mods around?

I fully expect not only groans but also condescension and rants about „the feminists“, a species some present seem to see simultaneously as both less than human and as dangerous.
As much as I dislike the term "enabling", I do agree with you that calling a female politician the M word is playing the (wo)man rather than the ball and sexist. Or at the very least immature name calling.
So, HvF, apparently it's completely Ok to mis-translate and falsely allege that he called her a c**t. Certainly you'd have criticised that if it weren't.

However, missenglish, pointing out that mistake is deemed utterly egregious and completely inacceptable. And the assumption that GM's was an honest one, otherwise there'd be no use for my explanation, is completely sexist.

The double standards here are impossible to surpass. And you, missenglish, are outright nuts. Feel free to keep your personal attacks disguised as amateurish pseudo-psychology to yourself.

As usual my post will be either deleted or edited. The personal attack however, in this case by missenglish, is guaranteed to remain on.

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Old 06.05.2021, 21:38
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So, HvF, apparently it's completely Ok to mis-translate and falsely allege that he called her a c**t. Certainly you'd have criticised that if it weren't..
Agree that's not on if deliberate rather than a language fail.
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Old 07.05.2021, 09:10
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Re: Swiss/EU negotiations: what's the bottom line?

@Urs Max, thank you for the proper translation. I completely forgot there's an even uglier word for female genitals and to a non-native speaker of both languages there are little differences between these terms. I think every language has an ugly slang word for it and another one less insulting. Or more, the English speakers in special are very creative. But if one gets called either way I don't think they'd like it. We all know Tom by now and I don't think he really means it though.
(On the other hand males too get called all sort of names in reference to their anatomy and that is not OK either.)
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Old 07.05.2021, 09:15
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As usual my post will be either deleted or edited.
Still there. As usual.
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Old 11.05.2021, 10:15
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Still there. As usual.
Of course, as usual.

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Ursula von der Leyen just became a grandmother, perhaps that will elevate her status, in your eyes?

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Old 11.05.2021, 10:19
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Re: Swiss/EU negotiations: what's the bottom line?

No.

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Old 11.05.2021, 11:26
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Re: Swiss/EU negotiations: what's the bottom line?

In short, joining EU is beneficial for comparable economies (France, Germany, Benelux) and weaker economies (the Central & Southern Europe) but not for outstanding economies (Norway, UK, Switzerland)? :P

I wonder if cantons and municipalities would be still allowed to charge different and lower than average tax rates provided that Switzerland joins EU?
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Old 11.05.2021, 11:53
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I wonder if cantons and municipalities would be still allowed to charge different and lower than average tax rates provided that Switzerland joins EU?
Well, for starts, they'd have to double the VAT!

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In short, joining EU is beneficial for comparable economies (France, Germany, Benelux) and weaker economies (the Central & Southern Europe) but not for outstanding economies (Norway, UK, Switzerland)? :P

I wonder if cantons and municipalities would be still allowed to charge different and lower than average tax rates provided that Switzerland joins EU?
It will not.
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Re: Swiss/EU negotiations: what's the bottom line?

However, it is truly interesting what sanctions EU is capable of imposing and/or has already imposed on Switzerland that are harmful for its economy and thus can be felt by us, its residents?
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Old 11.05.2021, 12:13
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However, it is truly interesting what sanctions EU is capable of imposing and/or has already imposed on Switzerland that are harmful for its economy and thus can be felt by us, its residents?
What are you on about?
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Old 11.05.2021, 12:23
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However, it is truly interesting what sanctions EU is capable of imposing and/or has already imposed on Switzerland that are harmful for its economy and thus can be felt by us, its residents?
Is that a question about a potential situation? I don't feel harmed in any way. And if EU thinks of possibly coercing future new members into a membership, it will not work. Partnership, yes. Blackmail, no.
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However, it is truly interesting what sanctions EU is capable of imposing and/or has already imposed on Switzerland that are harmful for its economy and thus can be felt by us, its residents?
Work at university or research institution? If I remember well the only consequences in recent years have been CH been denied access to some European science funds, and that exchange programs with other universities require a bit more paperwork when compared to the ease of Erasmus. But, nothing significant at all.
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Re: Swiss/EU negotiations: what's the bottom line?

Finding the ways to the funds might be trickier, but I cannot see obstructing research and open access too much in the future, tbh. I am still getting projects/postdoc offers split between universities all over the world (dual uni supervision), some here, some in the EU, US, etc.

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However, it is truly interesting what sanctions EU is capable of imposing and/or has already imposed on Switzerland that are harmful for its economy and thus can be felt by us, its residents?
Like the non-equivalence thing for stock markets - which pushed all trading in Swiss stocks onto the SIX exchange and massively increased their profits.

The EU is pretty awful at choosing effective sanctions, I wouldn't be too worried!
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Re: Swiss/EU negotiations: what's the bottom line?

Sanctions is a big word for what I would describe as a gradual and passive re-introduction of technical trade barriers (standards, regulations) in case an institutional agreement fails.
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Re: Swiss/EU negotiations: what's the bottom line?

IT's real simple if you give it some serious thought ... Level playing field is impossible in the E.U.. It is not capable of dealing with so many Countries, Cultures , Financial Particular Situations, Standards, 1000's of years of History and being flexible which if you take a trip around the Block will reveal. After living through Sweden's entry, Spain and Italy I would say it is suicide... Switzerland would never recover. The rise in the value of the swiss franc iover the last 30 years I believe is the root of the problem and preventing the process going forward. Norway stays out of the E.U. and Schweiz would be well advised to be wary of the few benefits. My personal opinion from experience over 30 years.
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No.

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That you hate her, it's a fact. Not a problem.

At least not for those who have some sympathy for her.
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Re: Swiss/EU negotiations: what's the bottom line?

So the cantons want the FC to continue negotiating. Voices from Brussels now talk about "negotiations" again instead of "clarifications". Allegedly supportive polls in Switzerland. Maybe not so dead?

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That you hate her, it's a fact. Not a problem.

At least not for those who have some sympathy for her.
I hated her predecessor more, and he was a guy! (Junkie the Drunkie)

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