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Old 11.05.2021, 22:05
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I hated her predecessor more, and he was a guy! (Junkie the Drunkie)

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Old 11.05.2021, 22:16
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Re: Swiss/EU negotiations: what's the bottom line?

…Switzerland is benefiting more than EU from this relation, then logical equivalation is imposed by EU...Norway is net export of energy to the EU, then is different situation to Switzerland...Switzerland financial sector is 80% based on EU trade...
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Old 12.05.2021, 06:11
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Wait: are we talking von der Leyen or Merkel now? Merkel‘s response was partly one to Orban‘s, who simply refused to stick to any of the deals about distributing refugees that Hungary accepted entering the EU. (Admittedly this bit is from memory.) This kind of cherry-picking is a problem. In Poland too. Makes me personally despair of the EU far more than Germany.
That is an entire subject separated from covid-19 crisis, I think. I'm not sure if it was (only) Leyen who wanted open borders. Or Merkel. German entrepreneurs (and not only German, may I say Italy too criticised Eastern European countries that closed their borders at the beginning of the pandemics) were making a huge pressure on govs to open the borders in the spring of 2020 in full blown pandemic. For instance one of the many episodes linked to the food industry/agriculture but also elderly care sector, constructions etc etc I think back home our gov were considered traitors by quite a large part of the public. People were scared of the virus and the fact that they were confined to their homes while others were still circulating to make sure folks in the West won't die of starvation or their elderly won't be totally abandoned, in spite of this pandemic, seemed extremely hypocritical. Still is. I think EU lost a lot of popularity back then because it proved, time and again, that it doesn't protect the best interests of all EU citizens or all EU countries.
https://www.dw.com/de/erntehelfer-au...len/a-53052905
https://www.bauerwilli.com/deutscher...eutsche-moral/

Some of the critics back then were against the idea of Germany still wanting workers from abroad/EU whereas refugees in the Greek islands were hosted in inhumane conditions.

I can look up for more articles and info for you, lot of stuff is well documented.

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Old 12.05.2021, 09:40
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Work at university or research institution? If I remember well the only consequences in recent years have been CH been denied access to some European science funds, and that exchange programs with other universities require a bit more paperwork when compared to the ease of Erasmus. But, nothing significant at all.
Getting money for education / research has never been easy. There's just too little money around and it gets stretched too thin. Then of course the burocracy adds to the pain.

But that said, Switzerland always has been a bit more generous than other countries anyway. I don't see research in Switzerland being in danger.
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Old 12.05.2021, 09:57
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Getting money for education / research has never been easy. There's just too little money around and it gets stretched too thin. Then of course the burocracy adds to the pain.

But that said, Switzerland always has been a bit more generous than other countries anyway. I don't see research in Switzerland being in danger.
It is easier now. I'd say a decade of intercontinental, interdisciplinary projects set a precedence roughly 10-15yr ago. It is much easier to even have your own project if you find 1-2 or 3 supervisors, who can be split between 1-2-3 or more unies/countries, etc. Combining supervision makes it easier. The academic world communicates and cooperates much better now than 20yr ago. Even during pandemics when one gotta stay put.

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Old 26.05.2021, 16:58
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Re: Swiss/EU negotiations: what's the bottom line?

Swiss/EU negotiations: what's the bottom line?

They're over, Switzerland has walked away.

https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/swiss-r...th-eu/46651454
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Old 26.05.2021, 17:19
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Swiss/EU negotiations: what's the bottom line?

They're over, Switzerland has walked away.

https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/swiss-r...th-eu/46651454
This is going to come back in two years latest under a new name. Nobody has won anything here.
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Re: Swiss/EU negotiations: what's the bottom line?

In this instance I agree with the sentiments of Victoria Nuland: "Eff the EU."
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Old 26.05.2021, 20:55
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In this instance I agree with the sentiments of Victoria Nuland: "Eff the EU."
No winners here. Just kicking the can down the road, and the can gets rustier.
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Old 26.05.2021, 21:00
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No winners here. Just kicking the can down the road, and the can gets rustier.
Works for me.

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Old 26.05.2021, 21:09
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Works for me.

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Old 26.05.2021, 21:11
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No winners here. Just kicking the can down the road, and the can gets rustier.

Kicking way down, if the EU gets busy with a detailed UK deal, picking up the wreck of Ukraine, pretending to deal with Turkey...


Then again, these may be just what brings the EU around to a humbler position with Switzerland.


On the light side, the commission too would have to be able to pass a deal through this:
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Old 26.05.2021, 21:18
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Kicking way down, if the EU gets busy with a detailed UK deal, picking up the wreck of Ukraine, pretending to deal with Turkey...


Then again, these may be just what brings the EU around to a humbler position with Switzerland.


On the light side, the commission too would have to be able to pass a deal through this:
With the bilaterals and the automatic acceptance of standards eroding, I am afraid it will be the Swiss side knocking for a new deal. For all the issues with the Rahmenabkommen (and I am not saying Switzerland should have just accepted), it feels like the Swiss government has very little vision of how to address the issue. Of course, also all political parties in Switzerland except SVP and GLP are torn on the EU relations issue.
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Swiss-Exit from EU bilateral deals by letting them lapse due to no agreement ?

According to this years of talks with the EU have broken down.

BBC News - Swiss abandon years of talks and reject treaty
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Good for you. Emotions are a crappy advisor.
Assuming someone's reasons and motivation is even crappier.
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Re: Swiss/EU negotiations: what's the bottom line?

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However, it is truly interesting what sanctions EU is capable of imposing and/or has already imposed on Switzerland that are harmful for its economy and thus can be felt by us, its residents?
they already revoked equivalence for the swiss stock market 2 years ago. that was a bit of an own goal, but MDR will hurt a bit:

https://www.swiss-medtech.ch/en/news...y-status-today

anyone have a calendar of expiry of the different bilateral agreements?
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Thank god!

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they already revoked equivalence for the swiss stock market 2 years ago. that was a bit of an own goal, but MDR will hurt a bit:

https://www.swiss-medtech.ch/en/news...y-status-today

anyone have a calendar of expiry of the different bilateral agreements?
This won't be the last of its kind.

One consequence is reduced upwards pressure on the CHF so perhaps it'll finally stop increasing (appreciating?). Another is a reduced pull for immigration, which in turn reduces real estate demand and price.

Looking forward to a normalisation of the interest rates curve and the end of financial oppression. A reduction of the far oversized mortgage volume wouldn't hurt either, it makes the banks far too vulnerable to an interest rate shock.
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Re: Swiss-Exit from EU bilateral deals by letting them lapse due to no agreement ?

What's the expected impact?
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