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Popular initiative “For clean drinking water and healthy food" 19 45.24%
Popular initiative “For a Switzerland without artificial pesticides” 18 42.86%
COVID-19 Act 21 50.00%
CO2 Act 16 38.10%
Federal Act on Police Measures to Combat Terrorism 13 30.95%
None of the above 11 26.19%
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Old 24.05.2021, 16:38
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Re: Vote June 13th 2021

For most of my life I have walked to work.

Alas, now I need to commute 30km, and public transport is not a realistic option.

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Old 24.05.2021, 16:39
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All these problems could easily be solved if there was a will.

But politicians, especially on a local level, just don't see the priority.

That said, Switzerland is pretty much paradise compared to much of the rest of Europe or the world even. Try getting around rural Spain or France even by public transport and you'll appreciate even the most dismal bus service that Switzerland has to offer. There are villages out there that get one bus a day, if even that.
We get three on Sundays and holidays, but not after 7PM, even on weekdays.

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Old 24.05.2021, 16:47
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For most of my life I have walked to work.

Alas, now I need to commute 30km, and public transport is not a realistic option.

Tom
I somehow don't believe that a handful of folks driving to work is going to make a huge difference to the planet one way or another.

The biggest impact can be made in the cities, which is where most people live and congestion etc are worst as are the effects of noise, pollution etc. This is where improvements in public transit can deliver the biggest returns.

Make public transport in these places attractive and more people will use it. I don't believe in forcing people to change habits by introducing excessive taxes or making driving excessively difficult or anything like that. Change needs to be driven by the positive. The hallmark of a good system is that people use it voluntarily. Not because they are forced.
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Old 24.05.2021, 18:41
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Public transportation is not excellent around here, in fact it's pretty useless!

30 minutes in a car or motorcycle, vs 2 hours via public transport, for example.

Hell, my daughter can't even get to work on time via public transport, as it starts too late!

Tom
I don't know about you but when I plan to purchase property one of the very first thing is "location", then next is "location"and last is "location"... than I think how do I get there without complaining on fuel costs or public transport.
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Old 24.05.2021, 19:22
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If I wanted a home battery system I'd install one in the basement or in the shed at the end of my garden. Driving around in my strategic energy reserve doesn't really make sense to me. For a start if they were at home, I could use heavier batteries and they would be permanently connected so I could charge or discharge them at any time and so make full use of market dynamics.

Many people in cities cannot even park on their own land but park in communal garages or on the street. So that puts a public grid between me and my strategic energy reserve and limits the degree to which I can benefit from playing at timing the market.
- 10KW battery (LiF) is 10k CHF , making 100KW price 100k or 2 x Tesla Model3.

It be easier to promote EVs that way - as there would be subsidies for "home PV installation" as today EVs in CH have no special treatment (except lower road-tax).

and I do not know many that would park 100k in home-battery while almost every second would consider getting Model-3 for his next car.
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Old 24.05.2021, 19:34
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Speaking of early EVs - I was one of the first to test Renault Fluence Z.E. electro car .
So there was this guarantee that in case I run out of juice - Renault would help . One weekend I went for skiing and after 70km one-way ...at the cablecar location with brand new parking - I noted there is no place to charge and rather than promised 50% I had 10%.

One call to Renault - all good - and I am out for skiing. Fast forward I retrun with already plan in my head how to get home via public transport .. I wanted to see what Renault done (expecting no-action taken and some explanation or at best another Renault ICE car to remedy the situation). How big was my suprise when I learnt my car is charged and ready to go ! All that happines was crashed quickly by seeing two gentlemen loading back on track 300k diesel generator ...that was runing for most of my skiing time.

This was somewhat 2011 I guess ..and we made huge progress there - same place now has few chargers and even wallet parking service to pick up EVs and bring them back charged , few permanent owners with Tesla-S stationed in the garage ... same place I'd have seen 4x4 Large SUV just few years earlier
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I don't know about you but when I plan to purchase property one of the very first thing is "location", then next is "location"and last is "location"... than I think how do I get there without complaining on fuel costs or public transport.
We looked at how well connected to the public transportation system is and how good the local schools appear to be.

You'll never catch me complaining on this forum about anything. It's that self-responsibility thing.
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Old 25.05.2021, 13:21
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I don't know about you but when I plan to purchase property one of the very first thing is "location", then next is "location"and last is "location"... than I think how do I get there without complaining on fuel costs or public transport.
Typically location = price.

Not everybody can afford the good locations.

Sometimes people lose their jobs or get relocated, and an easy commute can turn into a very difficult one.

It's not always as easy as "I don't have a problem, therefore neither should you"
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Old 25.05.2021, 13:26
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I don't know about you but when I plan to purchase property one of the very first thing is "location", then next is "location"and last is "location"... than I think how do I get there without complaining on fuel costs or public transport.
Alas, the company moved last year, it used to be 800m, an easy walk 4x / day.

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Old 25.05.2021, 13:32
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We looked at how well connected to the public transportation system is and how good the local schools appear to be.
But maybe your employer didn't consider those factors. Plenty of companies located out in industrial parks that are not very well connected, but where the land is nice and cheap.
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Old 25.05.2021, 22:18
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Can the Swiss citizens here please start an initiative that all EF members shall be granted the right to vote irrespective of passport? Thank you
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Old 25.05.2021, 23:03
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I tend to agree. Rather than taxing middle class Swiss for their two weeks away in the Canaries, they should be taxing the executive jets based on the aircraft weight or capacity (not on fuel, they just will just make an extra stop, burning even more fuel).
It‘s not a tax but a Lenkungsabgabe. I don’t know the English for that; online dictionaries give it as „incentive tax“ which still doesn‘t seem right. You get at least half of the average person‘s CO2-Abgabe back. So you‘re fine with two weeks in the Canaries. The executive jets would have to pay more. What is not redistributed goes to measures reducing carbon, e.g. subsidies for switching from oil heating to other types that don‘t consume fossil fuels.

(As for those heating subsidies: I have never understood why anyone who basically can’t afford it would want to own a house in the first place, so IMHO the incentive makes sense only for the, uh, limited, begging your pardon. If you have a house, you need some spare cash, otherwise you’re living beyond your means. But time has proven again and again that we are not rational, and sadly such incentives seem to be necessary.)
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I find the whole Swiss approach to the carbon tax to be comical.

They give over two-thirds back to us, how does that help anything?

They are very reluctant to go into details of how they will spend the remainder, I had expected the supporting blurb to have a long list of achievements - maybe they just build plush offices.

If I was in charge I would be more imaginative. I would stop the return to us and use the whole amount for visible things. You could, for example, probably equip 30,000 households annually with free solar panels - just have an annual lottery to select the lucky ones.
Giving 1/2 to 2/3 back (not over 2/3 - did you just vote no to something you hadn‘t read/thought through?) was supposed to make it more palatable to the fossils.

Yes, of course we should be doing more. Absolutely. That is no good reason to vote no to a small but potentially doable step in the right direction. Potentially doable meaning small enough not to be ditched by a majority. The sparrow in the hand is better than the dove on the roof, as the German saying goes.

Hope dies last, as another German saying goes.
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Old 26.05.2021, 09:36
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Giving 1/2 to 2/3 back (not over 2/3 - did you just vote no to something you hadn‘t read/thought through?) was supposed to make it more palatable to the fossils.

Yes, of course we should be doing more. Absolutely. That is no good reason to vote no to a small but potentially doable step in the right direction. Potentially doable meaning small enough not to be ditched by a majority. The sparrow in the hand is better than the dove on the roof, as the German saying goes.

Hope dies last, as another German saying goes.
Actually, the act says the amount of money returned to us will increase, not decrease.
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Old 26.05.2021, 13:58
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Actually, the act says the amount of money returned to us will increase, not decrease.
Problem with pesticides in Gau/Solothurn region is expected to cost 300m CHF to provide system of cleaning water .. and up to 500mCHF until results are known

How is that cheap ..I wonder - but hey - happy to pay even higher taxes for my farming neighbours ...

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No to all.
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Re: Vote June 13th 2021

https://www.rts.ch/info/suisse/12242...ndage-ssr.html

New poll: the two laws on pesticides and water seem a lock for the No, CO2 law looks like a 50-50, Covid & Anti-Terrorism lock for the Yes.

Apparently st2lemans neighbours are the only one excited for the two laws on pesticides (over 60% yes for both in Ticino)
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Old 02.06.2021, 16:09
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Apparently st2lemans neighbours are the only one excited for the two laws on pesticides (over 60% yes for both in Ticino)
It's Suisse Italienne, which is more than just Ticino.

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What I’d like to know is where all these poor, poor farmers, who require subsidies to earn a living wage are getting all the money for their No Campaign.

Full page adds in the local press, every field with a 2xNo sign, a fortune is being spent. By the oh-so-poor farmers.
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New poll: the two laws on pesticides and water seem a lock for the No, CO2 law looks like a 50-50, Covid & Anti-Terrorism lock for the Yes.

Apparently st2lemans neighbours are the only one excited for the two laws on pesticides (over 60% yes for both in Ticino)
The neighbours probably confuse pesticides with cross border commuters
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