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Popular initiative “For clean drinking water and healthy food" 19 45.24%
Popular initiative “For a Switzerland without artificial pesticides” 18 42.86%
COVID-19 Act 21 50.00%
CO2 Act 16 38.10%
Federal Act on Police Measures to Combat Terrorism 13 30.95%
None of the above 11 26.19%
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"Fears"? So it is supposition?

Let's be honest, we need a certificate and if you choose to not get vaccinated, you can stay in the slow lane. I'll be in the queue with the certificate
Instead of certificate, a seal on a forehead of vaccinated will be much better. You can easily recognize who is safe and who is potentially dangerous. And tremendous opportunities for governments and business based on face recognition - just imagine automatic doors open only to vaccinated, airports etc. Paradise
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Old 18.05.2021, 12:51
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I'd join here B.Gates and D.Attenborough and reduce consumption when introducing more bio diversity
While jetting around in a private jet.

Bill Gates is possibly America's bigger single owner of farmland. He has at least 242,000 acres. If he cared about sustainable farming methods, he could be walking the talk more than anybody else.

But he's not.
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"Fears"? So it is supposition?

Let's be honest, we need a certificate and if you choose to not get vaccinated, you can stay in the slow lane. I'll be in the queue with the certificate
Remember that some people cannot get vaccinated. I don't agree that they should "pay the price".
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Old 18.05.2021, 13:18
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Remember that some people cannot get vaccinated. I don't agree that they should "pay the price".
there can be a process for that.
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Re: Vote June 13th 2021

Tom, care to elaborate?

I see your groan. Yet you are still voting no to the proposed law.

I am curious as to why you are voting no?

Again, I haven't had time to read all the pro and cons and have yet to receive the voting ballots so this is just an initial opinion.
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Remember that some people cannot get vaccinated. I don't agree that they should "pay the price".
If you cannot be vaccinated, then you do not "choose" not to be vaccinated. You are medically exempt.

Don't you understand the difference between medical exemption and someone who just chooses not to vaccinate??
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Old 18.05.2021, 13:27
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If you cannot be vaccinated, then you do not "choose" not to be vaccinated. You are medically exempt.

Don't you understand the difference between medical exemption and someone who just chooses not to vaccinate??
grey area

People who don't want to get vaccinated will shop around until they find a doctor who confirms that they cannot.
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grey area

People who don't want to get vaccinated will shop around until they find a doctor who confirms that they cannot.
It's not a grey area, it's black or white. You are either officially medically exempt, or you aren't.

No legitimate doctor in the country is going to randomly give you an exemption to be vaccinated unless they believe that you have grounds for it.
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Old 18.05.2021, 13:47
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Instead of certificate, a seal on a forehead of vaccinated will be much better. You can easily recognize who is safe and who is potentially dangerous. And tremendous opportunities for governments and business based on face recognition - just imagine automatic doors open only to vaccinated, airports etc. Paradise
Have one of those then:

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Old 18.05.2021, 13:49
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No legitimate doctor in the country is going to randomly give you an exemption to be vaccinated unless they believe that you have grounds for it.
And there's your first problem...
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Old 18.05.2021, 14:15
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And there's your first problem...
Which problem?
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Old 18.05.2021, 14:23
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Which problem?
No all doctors are ethical. Some are anti-vaccine. Many are pro-homeopathic.

And some are just plain crooks.

I'm sure that it would be possible to find one who would forge a document.
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Old 18.05.2021, 14:42
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It's not a grey area, it's black or white. You are either officially medically exempt, or you aren't.

No legitimate doctor in the country is going to randomly give you an exemption to be vaccinated unless they believe that you have grounds for it.
That's not what I'm hearing.
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Old 18.05.2021, 14:45
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No all doctors are ethical. Some are anti-vaccine. Many are pro-homeopathic.

And some are just plain crooks.

I'm sure that it would be possible to find one who would forge a document.
You don't need to forge a document.

Medical opinion leaves a broad range of interpretations. Doctors disagree about stuff all the time. And AFAIK there is not actually any official foolproof checklist to define who should be exempt.
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Old 18.05.2021, 14:46
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Covid law: I haven't looked into the details yet, but I just read this in the newspaper:

"If this law were to be accepted, intensive tracing of contacts within the population and discrimination against unvaccinated people would be legalised," fears the committee that launched the referendum. The Covid law does indeed endorse the practice of quarantining contacts of infected people, and it provides for the creation of a health certificate. The committee fears dictatorship: at least the people have the opportunity to vote.

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https://www.20min.ch/fr/story/loi-co...e-133768313528

If this is indeed true, I am voting NO.
Wow this is an even better argument to vote yes

BTW it seems the usual scaremongering, the law is mostly on economic relief rather than other stuff.
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You don't need to forge a document.

Medical opinion leaves a broad range of interpretations. Doctors disagree about stuff all the time. And AFAIK there is not actually any official foolproof checklist to define who should be exempt.
Doing it just for the money (and sometimes charging a repeat fee every three months) seems to be occurring in the U.S. for childhood vaccinations (required by schools) with vaccinations in some places falling below the requirement for herd immunity.

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No all doctors are ethical. Some are anti-vaccine. Many are pro-homeopathic.

And some are just plain crooks.

I'm sure that it would be possible to find one who would forge a document.
There is no evidence this is happening in CH.
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There is no evidence this is happening in CH on any scale that could make a difference. Otherwise, your post is just subjective hearsay with regards to this country.
Are you so naive to think this happens everywhere but Switzerland?
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There is no evidence this is happening in CH.
There is no evidence that it isn’t either.

Switzerland is no different from anywhere else, you can always find somebody who is willing to bend the rules and you are very naive if you think it doesn’t happen here.

There was a GP not far from here who was known as ‘Dr Sicknote’ by the locals as he handed them out like sweeties.
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Old 18.05.2021, 15:36
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Re: Vote June 13th 2021

I just don't understand the link between the "2 x nein" posters that depict sawing off the tree branch that various people are sitting on....

We have the posters all through our area, and whilst appreciate the reasons for folks voting against the topics, I can understand the graphical meaning of having empty pockets etc, but just cannot make sense of the branch being sawed off in the picture...maybe it's all too clever for me, or am I having a seniors moment?

https://www.extreme-agrarinitiativen-nein.ch/
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