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Capitan Harlock 27.04.2021 08:40

Vote June 13th 2021
 
Soooo new round of votes in June, another mixed bunch of topics.

1- Popular initiative “For clean drinking water and healthy food"
2- Popular initiative “For a Switzerland without artificial pesticides”
3- COVID-19 Act
4- CO2 Act
5- Federal Act on Police Measures to Combat Terrorism

I have to say before seeing any opinion poll that I'm genuine clueless on what the Swiss will vote on 1 and 2. I think 4 might still pass easily as the "green wave" seems still go strong both on the left and right.

What do you think? Your opinions and what you will vote if you are a citizen and not an Auslander like me :D

ThisIsFine 27.04.2021 09:46

Re: Vote June 13th 2021
 
It seems you need an option for "will vote but won't vote yes on any of these" in order to have a denominator for your polling.

Guest 27.04.2021 09:51

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Originally Posted by Capitan Harlock (Post 3300094)

What do you think?

I think that if you want to discuss them here it would be really useful if you were to say something more about the measures being proposed. Otherwise you'll only get opinions from those people already engaged enough to know what they're all about.

Mikers 27.04.2021 10:40

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I think that if you want to discuss them here it would be really useful if you were to say something more about the measures being proposed. Otherwise you'll only get opinions from those people already engaged enough to know what they're all about.
Yes can someone tell me what the CO2 act is please ?

st2lemans 27.04.2021 10:51

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You need to add the option: None of the above.

Tom

st2lemans 27.04.2021 10:54

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Originally Posted by Mikers (Post 3300155)
Yes can someone tell me what the CO2 act is please ?

https://www.admin.ch/gov/en/start/do...3/co2-act.html

Tom

Belgianmum 27.04.2021 10:54

Re: Vote June 13th 2021
 
I have no idea what the two votes actually involve but there is a very strong NO to the first two around these parts.
There have been huge boards up in farmers filelds all over the place for a couple of weeks already all saying 2X NON.

Chuff 27.04.2021 10:56

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I think that if you want to discuss them here it would be really useful if you were to say something more about the measures being proposed. Otherwise you'll only get opinions from those people already engaged enough to know what they're all about.
Details here, I had to google them too https://www.admin.ch/gov/en/start/do...ion/votes.html

Axa 27.04.2021 11:01

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Originally Posted by Mikers (Post 3300155)
Yes can someone tell me what the CO2 act is please ?

News description of the act:

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The CO2 law contains various measures to reduce Swiss greenhouse emissions in line with the 2015 Paris Agreement on climate change. The measures include new taxes on airline flights, rules for more climate-friendly buildings, and tighter targets for vehicle emissions.
https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/climate...-vote/46280546

A description from the people supporting the YES vote:

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- Climate-compatible building heating: From 2023 or 2026, emission thresholds will apply if heating systems are replaced. This will mean that new oil and gas heating systems will only be installed in exceptional cases.
- Gradual increase of CO2 tax and strengthening of building programme: To support the overhaul of buildings from an energy perspective, funding via government and cantonal building programmes is being expanded. This is being financed through the partial allocation of the steering tax on heating oil and natural gas to the climate fund.
- Flight ticket tax: Through the introduction of a steering tax on flight tickets that is based on distance travelled, the steady growth in flights is to be checked in a socially compatible way. Half of this is to be redistributed to the population, and the other half will flow into the new climate fund.
- Climate fund: As well as building renovation, the newly created fund aims, in particular, to promote the development and widespread use of new approaches and technologies, especially in the flight industry. The greenhouse gas emissions caused by Swiss consumption abroad now exceed emissions in Switzerland. The climate fund is intended to contribute to a reduction of the same magnitude.
https://www.myclimate.org/informatio...l/co2-act-yes/

The phasing out of the oil and gas heating systems looks fine in the long term. Maybe stop thinking about the environment and think about the prices oscillations of oil and gas, and dependence of foreign resources. If heating solutions relying on local resources are developed, people will be thankful one day for not being dependent on the mood changes of a foreign dictator.

The flight ticket tax is complicate. In one hand, it may make the train look more attractive. On the other hand, people may just go to EuroAirport in France. So, a tax that makes air travel more expensive from Zurich and Geneva unless some cooperation with France is agreed.

And, what about private and recreational aviation? A tax on commercial flights would be a tax on the poor that cannot afford private flight. A Gulfstream G650 or a Bombardier Global 7500 have a range between 12K-13K km and fuel capacity of 20 tons. If Easyjet passengers end up paying CO2 tax and Davos crowd doesn't, we have a problem.

bowlie 27.04.2021 11:34

Re: Vote June 13th 2021
 
The flight tax based on distance travelled is complicated and easy to get around.

If you want to go to Dubai and wish to avoid the tax you buy a one way ticket to Paris and a second ticket Paris Dubai Zurich. Who suffers? SWISS.

And what about cargo? Long haul flights are usually full of Cargo why doesn’t the tax apply to them?

While I agree in Principle with the vote, I certainly don’t agree with some of the ‘solutions’. They need further thought.

Axa 27.04.2021 11:40

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Originally Posted by bowlie (Post 3300191)
The flight tax based on distance travelled is complicated and easy to get around.

If you want to go to Dubai and wish to avoid the tax you buy a one way ticket to Paris and a second ticket Paris Dubai Zurich. Who suffers? SWISS.

France is much closer: Basel/Mulhouse/Freiburg EuroAirport :D

komsomolez 27.04.2021 11:47

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Originally Posted by Belgianmum (Post 3300167)
I have no idea what the two votes actually involve but there is a very strong NO to the first two around these parts.
There have been huge boards up in farmers filelds all over the place for a couple of weeks already all saying 2X NON.

I think the first says that farmers using pesticides won't get subsidies anymore, or at least less.

The second one wants to ban pesticides completely.

The second will fail no doubt, but the progressive city people might actually put the first in play. Of course, they have no clue about farming, but hey they also think wolves are cute and their population cannot be regulated.

curley 27.04.2021 11:51

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Originally Posted by Axa (Post 3300172)
.... And, what about private and recreational aviation? A tax on commercial flights would be a tax on the poor that cannot afford private flight. A Gulfstream G650 or a Bombardier Global 7500 have a range between 12K-13K km and fuel capacity of 20 tons. If Easyjet passengers end up paying CO2 tax and Davos crowd doesn't, we have a problem.

Quick check: Stuttgart - Gatwick Euro 25.87. SERIOUSLY?

That's cheaper than the amount of shoes I'd need to buy for walking. And don't tell me, me breathing on the way is worse. :D

this is not a vote pro the law, I did not study it in detail yet.

curley 27.04.2021 11:53

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Originally Posted by st2lemans (Post 3300166)

That link gives no information. Is that enough for you to make decisions on? :eek:

ThisIsFine 27.04.2021 11:55

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Originally Posted by curley (Post 3300202)
That link gives no information. Is that enough for you to make decisions on? :eek:

If you change the language to a national one, there is more text. We will also receive a booklet with significantly more info when we get our ballots.

bowlie 27.04.2021 12:03

Re: Vote June 13th 2021
 
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Originally Posted by ThisIsFine (Post 3300205)
If you change the language to a national one, there is more text. We will also receive a booklet with significantly more info when we get our ballots.

The English page for the police vote is actually in Italian. I suspect Tom’s influence.

Capitan Harlock 30.04.2021 16:13

Re: Vote June 13th 2021
 
According to the first opinion poll all initiatives could pass

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.lem...n-721319265960

st2lemans 30.04.2021 16:18

Re: Vote June 13th 2021
 
Hopefully all will fail!

Tom

3Wishes 30.04.2021 20:47

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Originally Posted by st2lemans (Post 3301319)
Hopefully all will fail!

Tom

Spoken like a true Swiss! If in doubt, vote NO! :D

komsomolez 30.04.2021 21:15

Re: Vote June 13th 2021
 
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Originally Posted by Capitan Harlock (Post 3301315)
According to the first opinion poll all initiatives could pass

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.lem...n-721319265960

No way. If the agri initiatives have so little margin now, they will be way dead come June. As they should.

This thread is also dead unless OP fixes this joke of a poll.


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