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Old 02.05.2021, 22:26
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OK, you made your sentiments pretty clear every time. I'm sure some of them should be sent to each country they come from*, but let's try not to demonise these people for everything bad around us.
*those who create problems and didn't come with good intentions or are just ineligible to live there or somewhere else. Otherwise, depending on their passport, they have the same rights like everyone else.
Unfortunately Nicola Sturgeon's constituency had a lot of issues with unemployment, poverty and drugs before the Roma arrived. Adding more poor people to the mix has not helped the Glaswegians who live there, but that's an issue for the Scottish Government and local government. I'm not trying to demonise the Roma, but they are part of a culture that lives in a very certain way and is separate from the rest of society.
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Re: Basel offers homeless free one-way ticket to European destinations...

it is profitable everywhere... I've seen few experiments where "newcomer" comes into most "profitable" place in town. It almost get into a fight. In my home country there are stories of these people buying apartments...

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Lol. I wonder if this activity is so profitable, seriously. It must be, otherwise no-one would bother to come here for this "activity".
Stop giving them money!!!!
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I spent 3 years at Queen Mary College on the Mile End Road back in the early - mid 90s, women were advised not to travel on the eastbound District Line between 8 and 9 at night as it was quiet and many women had been mugged or sexually assaulted. After I graduated I temped in the City for a bit then went to work in a gallery on the Bankside just off Blackfriars Bridge. Every few weeks I'd have to work late if there was a private view, I really used to hate that journey back on the District Line.
After that I worked at Spitalfields, near to the market. A fantastically vibrant area during the day (I used to pass Gilbert and George the artists doing their strange walk every morning, Tracey Emin shopped in Tesco lol) - but wow, such a difference at night! Loads of teenage prostitutes with very scary looking pimps and drug dealers you wouldn't want to meet in a dark side street.
My OH is from East Ham and says there is absolutely no way he could live there now, too many little gangstas shooting and stabbing each other. His family live at Barking and he says the same about that, gangs of intimidating teenage boys hanging around outside the station at night.
My friend lives in Southwark 5 mins from Tate Modern, he was followed along the South Bank one night then assaulted and robbed on the doorstep of his flat.

I'd say I feel safer in Basel than London, esp since we moved from Kleinbasel.
East Ham, Mile End and Barking are some of the dodgiest bits of London. I guess in terms of pure safety I don't disagree they are worse than Basel. You might get hassled in Basel but the Roma are unlikely to knife you.
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Old 02.05.2021, 22:38
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I'm not sure I like people scapegoating them at every corner on this forum. My opinion, obviously.
Scapegoating is where you falsely accuse someone of an activity another Party commited. I don't see how anyone could claim this is the case with the current situation in Basel. Are you saying people are dressing up as Roma and behaving in a threatening and antisocial manner?

I suspect what you are actually asking for is for them to be given a free pass on account of their ethnicity. Which would actually be kind of prejudicial in itself. They are mixed Asian / European - same as my daughter. My beef with them is their behaviour, not the colour of their skin.

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Old 02.05.2021, 22:41
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My sister lived on the Barking Road at Plaistow in the mid 70s, that's was scary as hell. She passed a guy on the stairs going up to her flat, turned out he'd burgled her
We lived out at Upminster Bridge, back in 1988 our street had a spate of break ins in the lead up to Christmas. The Met police told us East End villains used to come out to Hornchurch / Upminster Bridge / Upminster as they knew they'd get better pickings than they'd get breaking into houses in the East End. Someone had 2 guys turn up with a van and ladders when they were out at work, the neighbours assumed they were roofers as they were up there. They were actually robbers accessing the house via the roof
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Scapegoating is where you falsely accuse someone of an activity another Party commited. I don't see how anyone could claim this is the case with the current situation in Basel. Are you saying people are dressing up as Roma and behaving in a threatening and antisocial manner?
I think it's the generalisations that can hurt. The "falsely accuse" part happens when there's a leap from looking at the specific individuals who are deemed to be causing trouble, into blaming all of any group (all beggars, all Roma, all Easern Europeans, all homeless) for a whole range of social problems.
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... if they sign a contract to not come back. Thatís the Swiss attitude that doesnít make you popular with neighbors.

https://www.newsweek.com/city-offers...-1588085?amp=1
This is nothing new.
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Old 02.05.2021, 22:51
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Re: Basel offers homeless free one-way ticket to European destinations...

TeleBasel did an interesting piece on it a litte while back : https://telebasel.ch/2020/08/26/repo...channel=105100
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Old 02.05.2021, 22:58
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I get annoyed at British people when they blame the Polish or E Europeans in the country for "taking our jobs" etc. My late uncle was Polish, one of the many who found their way across Europe to Britain at the start of WW2 to join the Polish army. He was a wonderful man, generous and funny and he was taken away from us all too early when he was 67, he'd only been retired 2 years. My aunt never got over it, she's 97 and in care now.

I had a lot of school friends whose dads were Polish and also a lot of others whose parents or grandparents were Italian, my life has been better for growing up with those people.

OH on the other hand being from London, well a lot of his friends were from West Indian and Indian heritage. His best man is Iranian and my best friend in London is a Kiwi. Our best friend in Scotland is African American, another is Sikh. What a boring life it would be if we just all stuck to being with people from our own culture, I like a mixture much better
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I think it's the generalisations that can hurt. The "falsely accuse" part happens when there's a leap from looking at the specific individuals who are deemed to be causing trouble, into blaming all of any group (all beggars, all Roma, all Easern Europeans, all homeless) for a whole range of social problems.
Agreed that generalisations are unfair and unhelpful. These particular people in Basel are causing trouble - doesn't need to go further than that.
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Old 03.05.2021, 00:02
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... if they sign a contract to not come back. That’s the Swiss attitude that doesn’t make you popular with neighbors.

https://www.newsweek.com/city-offers...-1588085?amp=1
Did anyone read Treverus' link until the end?

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Wasn't like this even when I came here 15 months ago. Place is covered in graffiti.
That's always been the case.

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hey are taking over the city parks and are washing their laundry in the fountains with the chemicals going on the street
Crapping in the parks.

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You should all have some more respect for beggars here in Switzerland as they don't have an easy life.
They probably earn as much money as you do, but they can't spend their entire work day on social media.
They've all got smartphones. How else do you think they keep themseleves amused.
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Ugh, they are coming into Bern now. I’ve seen a few with the roses, but nothing like Basel. I hope it doesn’t get that bad ... probably one of the only times I will be on the side of SVP.

https://www.20min.ch/video/organisie...r-438945202697

I can totally see the naive ultra liberal Bernese catering to these guys ... blerg.
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Re: Basel offers homeless free one-way ticket to European destinations...

1. I also find it a bit weird that there is so little in the press on this. Probably because it
a) was just a "Vorstoss"... an idea to be discussed, not in practice yet
b) an offer, not any sort of forced deportation.

I honestly think this doesnt address the professional beggars. Because they are professionals. If they choose Basel then thats because they make money there. A cheap ticket and 20 EUR wont change that. The offer might work for the people who got stranded in Basel due to lock downs in FR and DE who would actually like to return home but cant. Lots of homeless like to spend the summers in the southern EU and the winters in places like Switzerland where the shelters are probably better than in Greece or Italy. I guess they would be tempted to fly out and then choose say Germany for their next winter.
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1. I also find it a bit weird that there is so little in the press on this. Probably because it
a) was just a "Vorstoss"... an idea to be discussed, not in practice yet
b) an offer, not any sort of forced deportation.

I honestly think this doesnt address the professional beggars. Because they are professionals. If they choose Basel then thats because they make money there. A cheap ticket and 20 EUR wont change that. The offer might work for the people who got stranded in Basel due to lock downs in FR and DE who would actually like to return home but cant. Lots of homeless like to spend the summers in the southern EU and the winters in places like Switzerland where the shelters are probably better than in Greece or Italy. I guess they would be tempted to fly out and then choose say Germany for their next winter.
I think the best thing would be for awareness raised among tourists to not give any money to beggars. Signs in main areas etc. Also, a small police patrol that goes at random intervals down the main areas checking permits etc.
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I think the best thing would be for awareness raised among tourists to not give any money to beggars. Signs in main areas etc. Also, a small police patrol that goes at random intervals down the main areas checking permits etc.
While I think that is a very good idea...to be honest, there haven't been many tourists giving money to these people because they came around the start of the pandemic. Plenty of naÔve people living in Switzerland who aren't used to seeing poverty (even if it is faked) and want to help.
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While I think that is a very good idea...to be honest, there haven't been many tourists giving money to these people because they came around the start of the pandemic. Plenty of naÔve people living in Switzerland who aren't used to seeing poverty (even if it is faked) and want to help.
What difference does it make if the signs are informing and educating tourists or locals? Ideally no-one, including locals, should be giving money to street beggars.
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1. I also find it a bit weird that there is so little in the press on this. Probably because it
a) was just a "Vorstoss"... an idea to be discussed, not in practice yet
Ah, yes, thank you, that makes sense. I've also not been able to find it, as a concrete offer, anywhere.
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