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Old 06.05.2021, 02:26
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Looks like the Basel police are taking some action

Basel: 52 beggars checked (German)

https://www.polizei-schweiz.ch/basel...-kontrolliert/
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Während einer Kontrollaktion hat die Kantonspolizei Basel-Stadt gemeinsam mit mehreren Partnerbehörden in der Nacht auf Dienstag 52 mutmassliche Bettlerinnen und Bettler kontrolliert. 21 dieser Personen hat sie dem Migrationsamt Basel-Stadt für vertiefte Abklärungen zugeführt. In 19 Fällen erliess das Amt eine ausländerrechtliche Massnahme.
During a control operation, the Cantonal Police of Basel-City, together with several partner authorities, checked 52 suspected beggars on the night of Monday to Tuesday. Twenty-one of these people were brought to the Basel-Stadt Migration Office for further investigation. In 19 cases, the office issued a measure under immigration law.


Kantonspolizei und Migrationsamt richteten ihr Augenmerk namentlich darauf, ob sich die kontrollierten Personen rechtmässig in der Schweiz aufhalten und ob sie die für EU-Staatsangehörige geltende Maximaldauer von neunzig Tagen pro Kalenderjahr für einen Kurzzeitaufenthalt einhalten.
The cantonal police and the Migration Office focused their attention on whether the persons checked were in Switzerland legally and whether they were complying with the maximum duration of ninety days per calendar year for a short-term stay applicable to EU nationals.

Sodann müssen sich EU-Staatsangehörige, die während eines solchen Kurzzeitaufenthaltes Sozialhilfe – etwa in Form einer Übernachtung in der Notschlafstelle – beziehen, beim Migrationsamt wegen der Ausreise melden. Personen, die dies nicht tun oder nach einer Ausreise kurzfristig wieder einreisen, riskieren eine sofortige Wegweisung.
EU nationals who receive social assistance during such a short-term stay – for example in the form of an overnight stay in an emergency shelter – must report to the migration office to do with leaving the country. People who do not do this or who re-enter the country shortly after having left, risk immediate deportation.

Genau aus diesem Grund hat das Migrationsamt während der Kontrolle gegen elf Personen eine Wegweisung verfügt. In vier weiteren Fällen erging die gleiche Massnahme, weil die Betroffenen die maximale Dauer des Kurzzeitaufenthaltes überschritten hatten, und in zwei Fällen, weil die Quarantänemassnahmen des Bundes nicht eingehalten wurden. Diese beiden Personen werden zudem dem Gesundheitsdepartement rapportiert.
It was precisely for this reason that the Migration Office issued deportation orders against eleven people during the inspection. In four other cases, the same measure was taken because the persons concerned had exceeded the maximum duration of short-term stay, and in two cases because the federal quarantine measures had not been complied with. These two persons are also reported to the Department of Health.

Eine Ausgrenzung sprach das Migrationsamt gegen eine Person aus, weil sie in einem anderen Kanton gegen die öffentliche Sicherheit und Ordnung verstossen hat. Eine Ausreiseaufforderung erging wegen eines Minderjährigen, der in Begleitung seines erwachsenen Cousins unterwegs war. Bei den kontrollierten Personen handelte es sich um rumänisch Staatsangehörige im Alter von 17 bis 65 Jahren.
The Migration Office issued an exclusion order against one person because he had violated public security and order in another canton. An order to leave the country was issued to a minor who was travelling with his adult cousin. The persons checked were Romanian nationals aged between 17 and 65.

An der rund 5,5 Stunden dauernden Kontrolle standen Mitarbeiterinnen und Mitarbeiter der Kantonspolizei Basel-Stadt, des Migrationsamtes Basel-Stadt und der Kindes- und Erwachsenenschutzbehörde Basel-Stadt im Einsatz.
During the check, which lasted about 5.5 hours, staff of the Cantonal Police Basel-Stadt, the Migration Office Basel-Stadt and the Child and Adult Protection Authority Basel-Stadt were on duty.
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Old 06.05.2021, 08:34
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It doesn't take aggressiveness to cause significant pressure.

Back in the day there used to be what looked like Andean/Indio bands in Zürich's tram. They'd hop on, play a tune or two, then one would walk the tram's length with an hat upside down in hand, asking for donations without speaking. The hat would only be moved towards the passengers (and enter their personal space) if they showed willingness to donate. In such a situation it's often very difficult for anybody with company to refuse to contribute even though there was zero aggressiveness.
Actually they still exist in Basel .... same 4 gypsies over the years that I guess don’t move. Sometimes the tram driver will stop the tram & throw them off. One of the ladies actually has a very angelic voice & I have given her a few coins now and then. One day I saw her out in public and she was yelling at & punching her husband and was anything but angelic.

We have a hobo here in Bern who does it on the bus with his dog - he’s a like-able guy & he’s too drunk to properly sing or ask for money. He just gets on and sings and gets off. Once hubs and I were sitting at an outdoor cafe & he came up sober and sang & was actually very talented. We gave him some money and I threw the ball for his dog, was a nice day.
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Old 07.05.2021, 11:52
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Btw, I don't think I've seen anywhere in Europe the homeless problem as in USA. And that was years ago. Not covid-19, not nothing. But backhome is an issue too lately because it's very easy to go down that route. One loses their job, then their home, families are broken and voila. It's not only the Roma, mind. It's normal people who used to have a normal life and life just hit them on the head. So if that happens where one wouldn't expect, what's to comment about marginalised categories. Nothing. I don't have any solutions.
From my understanding in the US a part of the problem is military veterans who sometimes have mental health issues that are not being treated.

Many many years ago I was on a convention in downtown Houston. Houston's downtown was, and still is AFAIK, a hotspot for begging and panhandling and you can't walk more than a block without somebody trying to beg money off you.

This was the first day of the convention and due to jet lag I was wide awake at some silly hour in the morning so decided to leave the hotel and get away from the awful air conditioning and go for a walk. It didn't take long until one of these guys started talking to me. It was early in the morning and I had plenty of time. I said I wasn't giving him money but if he wanted he could come and have breakfast with me. To my surprise he agreed immediately and he said he wanted to go the Macdonalds (which i guess was the only place to be open) so that's where we went and he basically told me his life story. Veteran who didn't develop mental health problems until many years after discharge. His wife couldn't deal with it, kicked him out. And somehow over the years he had wandered from Phoenix to Houston.
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Old 17.05.2021, 15:39
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Re: Basel offers homeless free one-way ticket to European destinations...

AND: Basel introduces a "masterplan" with strict controls on begging, to especially outlaw organized begging and groups sleeping outside and occupying public space...

https://www.20min.ch/story/das-ist-b...s-861370410327
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AND: Basel introduces a "masterplan" with strict controls on begging, to especially outlaw organized begging and groups sleeping outside and occupying public space...

https://www.20min.ch/story/das-ist-b...s-861370410327
Great solution! Will even help them in their "home country" ... win, win
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We have a hobo here in Bern who does it on the bus with his dog - he’s a like-able guy & he’s too drunk to properly sing or ask for money. He just gets on and sings and gets off. Once hubs and I were sitting at an outdoor cafe & he came up sober and sang & was actually very talented. We gave him some money and I threw the ball for his dog, was a nice day.
No 9 Tram. He seems to do a pretty good job of collecting coins as he does the whole " i bi Bärner und singe Mani Matter" schtick. His dog passed away a year or two ago but I see he's gotten a decent ersatz pupper.
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I really struggle with the fact that Strasbourg thinks they can tell Basel how to manage what is ultimately a safety issue. If locals have fallen through the cracks of the system and it's just a handful of people who for whatever reason don't find a place in the normal social services channels, I don't think the police would bother them even if there was a ban on begging in place.

The issue is people who travel to a place in groups for the express purpose of begging and who refuse to adhere to the customs of said place, causing a problem for the people living there. They have no way of supporting themselves other than begging, nor do they intend to find another way. They often have animals and children with them who are not treated properly but serve to provoke sympathy. I once paid for a homeless person's dog to be taken to the vet in the past to have an abscess treated, so it clearly works (for the cynics: I arranged the appointment and went along, mainly to make sure everything was covered including any medication).

Unfortunately, it doesn't stop at the begging; a policeman friend told me that there is a whole supply chain in place, which also includes people who don't want to wait for charity - they just help themselves. Those who wander about begging also keep an eye out for information and objects that are high value. For example, an expensively dressed person getting into a certain car can lead to an address that may be worth "visiting". Or if they see nice bikes always at the same spot at the same times, it's easy to plan for a "collection tour" by people with the tools to break open the locks.

Shoplifting can also be facilitated by people seemingly "just minding their own business" while begging, holding goods that were passed on while the shoplifter disappears. "Street artist" beggers often create a distraction to help pickpockets operate undisturbed.

And finally, to complete the full set of misdemeanours: human trafficking or prostitution out of external expectation rather than personal choice (I differentiate the two because the former usually involves the "buyer" having clear indicators of a trafficking situation but not caring whereas the latter may be almost impossible to detect). I don't know what the situation is in Basel but when we briefly had a few of those groups wandering about Zurich, I noticed there were never any healthy, fit women in the 18 - 25 age group doing the begging. Children, older women with kids, women with some kind of physical disability, "crones", and men of all ages, but never attractive young women. Presumably, they were tasked with more gainful employment.

Since (almost) everyone wants to make a better life for themselves and their family, the approach of supporting local efforts to provide more opportunity is certainly the right way to go - in theory. Unfortunately, the people running these begging/thieving/fencing/pimping supply chains have zero interest in getting a 9 to 5 job in an office for a normal salary. So unless their entire demographic can be put behind bars until everyone that benefits from them finds a different and legal way of making a living, such support efforts will not really yield the results needed.
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No 9 Tram. He seems to do a pretty good job of collecting coins as he does the whole " i bi Bärner und singe Mani Matter" schtick. His dog passed away a year or two ago but I see he's gotten a decent ersatz pupper.
Really? I played with his pup last summer... Perhaps it is the new one? Such a lovely dog ...
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Really? I played with his pup last summer... Perhaps it is the new one? Such a lovely dog ...
that must be the new one.
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I really struggle with the fact that Strasbourg thinks they can tell Basel how to manage what is ultimately a safety issue.
If you sign up for an international court that's what you get: an independent oversight which holds everyone to the same standards... In the same way it tells Hungary how to not treat refugees or Germany that they cannot introduce a highway fee for foreigners only.

Everyone always agrees to it when the court tells other countries off but is pissed off when it limits the own decisions. I personally know some lawyers working there and find it one of the very best ideas of the EU... we need this on a global level, but the US is blocking as it would mean they could be held accountable for the things they do...
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