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Old 14.09.2021, 21:44
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BS... my son's first word was "auto" , he is obsessed with mechanical objects. I was the same - my own mother recently related the story of their efforts to get me to play with my sister's dolls as a child - immediately threw them away.

I work with a Swedish lad - he's absolutely committed to raising his children in a gender neutral way and constantly expresses his frustration to me that his son refuses to wear pink or play with dolls.
I don’t see that as a bias but rather as a preference, perhaps even innately wired. What I don’t understand is how that would affect a child’s love for their parents.
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Re: Vote September 26th

the arguments of the opponents

https://mannschaft.com/bimber/wp-con...15-364x205.jpg

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Old 14.09.2021, 21:59
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Re: Vote September 26th

First photo shows surrogate mothers as slaves. Heterosexuals already use surrogate mothers for their own reproductive issues. The argument doesnít work.

Second photo: kids are being ordered. Again, this is an issue that is being pursued by heterosexual partners as well.

Third photo: shows a dead person. I donít get it.
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Old 14.09.2021, 22:49
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First photo shows surrogate mothers as slaves. Heterosexuals already use surrogate mothers for their own reproductive issues. The argument doesnít work.

Second photo: kids are being ordered. Again, this is an issue that is being pursued by heterosexual partners as well.

Third photo: shows a dead person. I donít get it.
Odd, haven't seen any of that around here.

As you said, makes no sense, #1 and #2 apply to anyone with conception issues.

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Old 14.09.2021, 23:10
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Re: Vote September 26th

1 and 3 are absolutely disgusting. 2 is just lame.
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Odd, haven't seen any of that around here.

As you said, makes no sense, #1 and #2 apply to anyone with conception issues.

Tom
These are what I referenced before, using irrelevant material against the yes campaign.
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Old 15.09.2021, 00:13
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These are what I referenced before, using irrelevant material against the yes campaign.
Not the study linked by yacek though. Did you read it?
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Old 15.09.2021, 00:40
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Re: Vote September 26th

There are so few adoptions these days...it's more likely that the new law would facilitate adoption by one parent of the other's biological child/ren, and I believe Switzerland also banned surrogacy, so it's not about 'ordering' a baby. If legal, the common situation would be one women requesting a sperm donation and then the spouse adopting the baby so both parents are legal guardians. For men, more likely one has a child from a previous relationship, and the new partner adopts that child...if their other birth parent has died or is legally unable to care for them.
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Not the study linked by yacek though. Did you read it?
Can't seem to find it...?
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Old 15.09.2021, 06:22
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...it's more likely that the new law would facilitate adoption by one parent of the other's biological children,
The law allows this already for those in a civil partnership. Marriage would mean same sex couples can adopt children of whom neither is a biological parent.
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