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jamon8 10.09.2021 10:46

Vote September 26th
 
Since the discussion already started in another thread, I think it makes sense to have a dedicated thread.

So, two questions will be voted:

- 99% initiative - higher taxes on dividends, rents and royalty
- LGBT marriages

The first one is likely to fail. The second one is likely to pass, considering preliminary polls results.

komsomolez 10.09.2021 10:53

Re: Vote September 26th
 
99% - 37% yes
Marriage - 62% yes

komsomolez 10.09.2021 11:21

Re: Vote September 26th
 
So 99% is an initiative and requires both popular vote and cantonal majority to pass, correct? The marriage vote is a referendum, that passes with popular vote only?

Always confusing.

jamon8 10.09.2021 11:30

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Correct.

Talk to you later 10.09.2021 11:34

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LGBT marriage = higher taxes for them? Just like for Heterosexual married couples?

amogles 10.09.2021 11:41

Re: Vote September 26th
 
I'm open to good arguments on both votes but as things are now I'm planning to vote no to the 99% thing and yes to the marriage thing.

komsomolez 10.09.2021 11:42

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Talk to you later (Post 3346797)
LGBT marriage = higher taxes for them? Just like for Heterosexual married couples?

Don't they already pay the same tax as married couples if they have this "eingetragene Partnerschaft"? And it is not necessarily higher either.

Downerbuzz 10.09.2021 12:03

Re: Vote September 26th
 
While I'm all for a more equal wealth distribution, this initiative is too " schwammig" for my taste. Afaik there's no definition at what level they want to apply those measures. Like amogles said, I'm open to good arguments.

I'm not a homophobic ..... so will of course be voting yes on the other issue.

vushka 10.09.2021 12:27

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I would vote 'Yes' for the LGBT marriage except I don't agree with the adoption of children by same sex couples so will vote 'No'

DantesDame 10.09.2021 12:51

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Quote:

Originally Posted by vushka (Post 3346819)
I would vote 'Yes' for the LGBT marriage except I don't agree with the adoption of children by same sex couples so will vote 'No'

:(

That's really too bad.

jamon8 10.09.2021 13:24

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Quote:

Originally Posted by DantesDame (Post 3346831)
:(

That's really too bad.

Do you mean adoption?

I think this is the only controversial question - very few would argue that homosexual couples must have the same status in the society, but considerably more would be against children adoption by them.

Axa 10.09.2021 13:52

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jamon8 (Post 3346844)
Do you mean adoption?

I think this is the only controversial question - very few would argue that homosexual couples must have the same status in the society, but considerably more would be against children adoption by them.

The fun thing is that ~44% of marriages end in divorce in CH. So, lots of chances for children to not be effectively reared by an homosexual couple even if the adoptive parents are gay.

HickvonFrick 10.09.2021 14:00

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Quote:

Originally Posted by DantesDame (Post 3346831)
:(

That's really too bad.

I don't really get that either. Particularly as an unmarried gay person in a relationship can adopt. (But also on the fundamental issue regarding whether gay people can parent children)

jamon8 10.09.2021 14:14

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Quote:

Originally Posted by HickvonFrick (Post 3346864)
I don't really get that either. Particularly as an unmarried gay person in a relationship can adopt.

For sure, there are several already existing possibilities to adopt or give birth (in case of women). However, Id say that this is more about the opportunity to show their position on the matter.

Tom1234 10.09.2021 14:22

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jamon8 (Post 3346874)
For sure, there are several already existing possibilities to adopt or give birth (in case of women). However, Id say that this is more about the opportunity to show their position on the matter.

Is this what you mean:

https://ausmed-images.s3-ap-southeas...202_body_1.jpg

mossie 10.09.2021 14:30

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Never understand all these caffufles over such pathetic arguments. IF you dont like it look away and move on. If a Gay couple live next door or a woman with a Burka as long as they dont bother you whats the big deal. I know plenty of heterosexual couples who shouldn't be left near children so dont see that Gay couples are different to any cross section of society.

jamon8 10.09.2021 14:40

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Tom1234 (Post 3346878)

No

HickvonFrick 10.09.2021 14:43

Re: Vote September 26th
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jamon8 (Post 3346874)
For sure, there are several already existing possibilities to adopt or give birth (in case of women). However, Id say that this is more about the opportunity to show their position on the matter.

Not long before you get cancelled!

komsomolez 10.09.2021 15:05

Re: Vote September 26th
 
Generally quite boring topics. I would expect turnout to be quite low, especially as the polls seem quite clear.

vushka 10.09.2021 15:15

Re: Vote September 26th
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mossie (Post 3346883)
Never understand all these caffufles over such pathetic arguments. IF you dont like it look away and move on. If a Gay couple live next door or a woman with a Burka as long as they dont bother you whats the big deal.

As others have pointed out, for many against it's not about the marriage, it's about same sex adoption.

As there will be children involved and affected it's simply not good enough to 'look away and move on'.


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