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Vote September 26th

Since the discussion already started in another thread, I think it makes sense to have a dedicated thread.

So, two questions will be voted:

- 99% initiative - higher taxes on dividends, rents and royalty
- LGBT marriages

The first one is likely to fail. The second one is likely to pass, considering preliminary polls results.
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Re: Vote September 26th

99% - 37% yes
Marriage - 62% yes
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Re: Vote September 26th

So 99% is an initiative and requires both popular vote and cantonal majority to pass, correct? The marriage vote is a referendum, that passes with popular vote only?

Always confusing.
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Re: Vote September 26th

Correct.
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Re: Vote September 26th

LGBT marriage = higher taxes for them? Just like for Heterosexual married couples?
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Re: Vote September 26th

I'm open to good arguments on both votes but as things are now I'm planning to vote no to the 99% thing and yes to the marriage thing.
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Re: Vote September 26th

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LGBT marriage = higher taxes for them? Just like for Heterosexual married couples?
Don't they already pay the same tax as married couples if they have this "eingetragene Partnerschaft"? And it is not necessarily higher either.
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Re: Vote September 26th

While I'm all for a more equal wealth distribution, this initiative is too " schwammig" for my taste. Afaik there's no definition at what level they want to apply those measures. Like amogles said, I'm open to good arguments.

I'm not a homophobic ..... so will of course be voting yes on the other issue.
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Re: Vote September 26th

I would vote 'Yes' for the LGBT marriage except I don't agree with the adoption of children by same sex couples so will vote 'No'
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I would vote 'Yes' for the LGBT marriage except I don't agree with the adoption of children by same sex couples so will vote 'No'


That's really too bad.
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That's really too bad.
Do you mean adoption?

I think this is the only controversial question - very few would argue that homosexual couples must have the same status in the society, but considerably more would be against children adoption by them.
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Do you mean adoption?

I think this is the only controversial question - very few would argue that homosexual couples must have the same status in the society, but considerably more would be against children adoption by them.
The fun thing is that ~44% of marriages end in divorce in CH. So, lots of chances for children to not be effectively reared by an homosexual couple even if the adoptive parents are gay.
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That's really too bad.
I don't really get that either. Particularly as an unmarried gay person in a relationship can adopt. (But also on the fundamental issue regarding whether gay people can parent children)

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I don't really get that either. Particularly as an unmarried gay person in a relationship can adopt.
For sure, there are several already existing possibilities to adopt or give birth (in case of women). However, Id say that this is more about the opportunity to show their position on the matter.
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For sure, there are several already existing possibilities to adopt or give birth (in case of women). However, Id say that this is more about the opportunity to show their position on the matter.
Is this what you mean:

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Re: Vote September 26th

Never understand all these caffufles over such pathetic arguments. IF you dont like it look away and move on. If a Gay couple live next door or a woman with a Burka as long as they dont bother you whats the big deal. I know plenty of heterosexual couples who shouldn't be left near children so dont see that Gay couples are different to any cross section of society.
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For sure, there are several already existing possibilities to adopt or give birth (in case of women). However, Id say that this is more about the opportunity to show their position on the matter.
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Re: Vote September 26th

Generally quite boring topics. I would expect turnout to be quite low, especially as the polls seem quite clear.
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Never understand all these caffufles over such pathetic arguments. IF you dont like it look away and move on. If a Gay couple live next door or a woman with a Burka as long as they dont bother you whats the big deal.
As others have pointed out, for many against it's not about the marriage, it's about same sex adoption.

As there will be children involved and affected it's simply not good enough to 'look away and move on'.
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