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These people are also stupid, dont understand math, or science... have mental diseases..dont understand how the hospital staff, nurses are under pressure with these antivaxxers...







https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/social-...urses-rcna1654
No point in unvaccinated nurses delivering babies and immediately infecting them.
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No point in unvaccinated nurses delivering babies and immediately infecting them.
Just like a vaccinated nurse can infect others.
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Just like a vaccinated nurse can infect others.
But with about half the chance of doing so.
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But with about half the chance of doing so.
Chance is much less than half.
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Chance is much less than half.
I don't want to overtax the hard-of-thinking.
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No point in unvaccinated nurses delivering babies and immediately infecting them.
and you would prefer babies to be delivered with no nurses present?

that would cause many times the medical complications.
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Old 13.09.2021, 20:42
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and you would prefer babies to be delivered with no nurses present?

that would cause many times the medical complications.
Excuse me but you do have weird ideas that you try to project onto other people, my preference would be to have births managed by suitably qualified doctors.
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and you would prefer babies to be delivered with no nurses present?

that would cause many times the medical complications.
Newborn babies can die, but God forbid they get infected with covid by the unvaccinated nurse.
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Excuse me but you do have weird ideas that you try to project onto other people, my preference would be to have births managed by suitably qualified doctors.
The doctors only come if something goes wrong. If nothing does you will typically be pretty much 100% midwife led. A doctor might pop around to say hello if you are lucky.
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The doctors only come if something goes wrong. If nothing does you will typically be pretty much 100% midwife led. A doctor might pop around to say hello if you are lucky.
Quite, the human race is so backwards as to need assistance with birth by a Dr. A cat can walk straight after being born without assistance, quite amazing that Humans ever survived in the past.
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The doctors only come if something goes wrong. If nothing does you will typically be pretty much 100% midwife led. A doctor might pop around to say hello if you are lucky.
not necessarily true. my delivery was relatively eventless and doctor came multiples times, she led the delivery and midwives never did anything without double checking with the doctor
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Quite, the human race is so backwards as to need assistance with birth by a Dr. A cat can walk straight after being born without assistance, quite amazing that Humans ever survived in the past.
natural selection

there was a research indicating that in Austria more women require c-section because a certain percentage was born by c-section and would not have survived otherwise. though if I remember correctly it was based on measurements that are not 100% indicative of if a delivery can be carried out successfully or not hence not sure how good piece of research it was. nevertheless, I wouldn't be surprised that there are more and more cases that do require assistance given that we are indeed going against natural selection.
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On the sheeple side yes. Now try reading what the brave refusers have written! https://www.englishforum.ch/3348161-...ml"]Here's a convenient link summarising most of the nonsense. It even has the old chestnut "They're not vaccines".
For all the Reddit comments we've had nothing like that. Nothing calling it gene therapy. No comments about Bill Gates, George's Soros, 5G, microchips, nanorobots and the like. The vaccine takeup is very high, even amongst those who are relatively skeptical. In short, we aren't too bad

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Re: Switzerland's ICU Shortage and Hospital Closures

Reality check: Today's ICU capacity by canton (based on https://www.covid19.admin.ch/en/hosp-capacity/icu)

ICU Capacity
Zürich: 60 Covid patients + 93 non-Covid + 27 free beds = 180 beds (15% free beds)
Thurgau: 16 + 10 + 1 = 27 (3.7% free beds)
Freibourg: 5 + 17 + 0 = 22 (0% free beds)
Glarus: 1 + 4 + 0 = 5 (0% free beds)
Lucerne: 12+ 35 + 9 = 56 (16% free beds)
Ticino: 5 + 27 + 25 = 57 (44% free beds)
Graubünden: 6+5+5=16 (31% free beds)
Geneva: 24 + 45 + 16 = 85 (19% free beds)

Total hospital capacity:
Zürich: 177 + 2973 + 635 = 3785 ( 17% free beds)
Thurgau: 35 + 413 + 66 = 514 (13% free beds)
Freibourg: 21 + 465 + 97 = 583 (17% free beds)
Glarus: 7+59+10 = 76 (13% free beds)
Lucerne: 45+840+267=1152 (23% free beds)
Ticino: 20+704+262=986 (27% free beds)
Graubünden: 21+377+256=654 (40% free beds)
Geneva: 110 + 1293 + 501 = 1904 (26% free beds)

It doesn't take much for Glarus's ICU (5 beds) to be full as compared to Zürich's 60. One can see how quickly those tiny hospitals fill up and why they may have to transfer patients elsewhere. Ticino's ICU seems to be low in capacity at the moment.
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not necessarily true. my delivery was relatively eventless and doctor came multiples times, she led the delivery and midwives never did anything without double checking with the doctor
Did you pay a premium or is this typical in Switzerland? Back home it certainly isn't.
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The doctors only come if something goes wrong. If nothing does you will typically be pretty much 100% midwife led. A doctor might pop around to say hello if you are lucky.
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Did you pay a premium or is this typical in Switzerland? Back home it certainly isn't.
private insurance. you can choose your delivery doctor only with semi-private or private in Switzerland
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private insurance. you can choose your delivery doctor only with semi-private or private in Switzerland
How much do you have to pay to be able to give birth in a private hospital? There's no public hospitals in Frick but there is a private one and I dont drive so it's be significantly more convenient for us.
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How much do you have to pay to be able to give birth in a private hospital? There's no public hospitals in Frick but there is a private one and I dont drive so it's be significantly more convenient for us.
It's amazing in the age of YouTube that people consider paying for a hospital to help give birth
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It's amazing in the age of YouTube that people consider paying for a hospital to help give birth
Yeah, just wait until the diy-ICU-covid-procedures videos come out. Piece of cake.
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