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Old 12.09.2021, 21:35
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Switzerland's ICU Shortage and Hospital Closures

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But when we start disregarding science and start alluding motives and conspiracies to stated facts, then there is something amiss. But maybe is more symbolic of the wider internet vs. being a EF specific issue.
The only disregard of science and conspiracy that I've read there is "shortage of ICUs" 1.5 years into pandemic. The rest seems to be okay
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The rest seems to be okay
On the sheeple side yes. Now try reading what the brave refusers have written! https://www.englishforum.ch/3348161-...ml"]Here's a convenient link summarising most of the nonsense. It even has the old chestnut "They're not vaccines".

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The only disregard of science and conspiracy that I've read there is "shortage of ICUs" 1.5 years into pandemic. The rest seems to be okay
According to current statistics by the BAG, some ICUs in Switzerland are full. Are you calling them liars? https://www.covid19.admin.ch/en/hosp-capacity/icu
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According to current statistics by the BAG, some ICUs in Switzerland are full. Are you calling them liars? https://www.covid19.admin.ch/en/hosp-capacity/icu
you sure you're reading my posts at all ?

I'm saying that Switzerland government could have easily doubled ICUs capacity in the last years, equipment, trained personnel and etc. But they chose not to.
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you sure you're reading my posts at all ?

I'm saying that Switzerland government could have easily doubled ICUs capacity in the last years, equipment, trained personnel and etc. But they chose not to.
How can you double staff when there is a shortage?
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According to current statistics by the BAG, some ICUs in Switzerland are full. Are you calling them liars? https://www.covid19.admin.ch/en/hosp-capacity/icu
What about the reduction in ICU beds or the closure of hospitals. Do you think that has something to do with it?
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According to current statistics by the BAG, some ICUs in Switzerland are full. Are you calling them liars? https://www.covid19.admin.ch/en/hosp-capacity/icu
They're full, but the capacity was higher at the start of the pandemic. What has caused the reduction?
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How can you double staff when there is a shortage?
1. Change health care laws to fast track training of ICU operators

2. Change immigration laws to allow high-skilled medical personnel into the country hassle-free

3. Pay relocation package


you're asking silly questions
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Here’s a report on the shortage of hospital staff in Switzerland: https://www.srf.ch/news/schweiz/bere...pflegepersonal
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1. Change health care laws to fast track training of ICU operators

2. Change immigration laws to allow high-skilled medical personnel into the country hassle-free

3. Pay relocation package


you're asking silly questions
And you’re supplying silly answers and avoiding reality. ICU staff need to be trained properly or they’ll be a danger to their patients.

2. Many hospital staff are already from Germany because we offer higher salaries. We need more employees but they must be trained and speak the language.

3. See number 2
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And how do you know that?
Olygirl has even posted to the effect I will get you banned, so I guess he just read the forum like everybody else.
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They're full, but the capacity was higher at the start of the pandemic. What has caused the reduction?
I think hospitals are penalized for having too much over-capacity, so the bean counters play the system by moving beds (and rooms, and staff) to other departments on a weekly basis and so maintain ICU capacity pretty much as close to a constant 80% as they can.

At least this is how it is done in Germany.
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Thread is pretty dead on Reddit, isn‘t ? And here, there are what, 17 pages?

Just saying………
Same was true when EF was discussed on ET or even the Facebook group we were both kicked out of.

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What about the reduction in ICU beds or the closure of hospitals. Do you think that has something to do with it?
Shortage of staff seems to be responsible for fewer beds and possible hospital closures.
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How can you double staff when there is a shortage?
Offer higher pay, it's called supply & demand, it always works. Switzerland is a rich country so can pay far higher salaries than in France, Italy or Germany.

I guess you don't like a capitalist solution to a socialist problem.
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Shortage of staff seems to be responsible for fewer beds and possible hospital closures.
Don't shoot me...I am asking honestly as in the US, there are staff shortages in hospitals because some medical staff are not vaccinated. What is causing the hospital staff shortages in Switzerland? Is it the lack of vaccine uptake?

https://www.webmd.com/vaccines/covid...spital-workers
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Offer higher pay, it's called supply & demand, it always works. Switzerland is a rich country so can pay far higher salaries than in France, Italy or Germany.

I guess you don't like a capitalist solution to a socialist problem.
They are already offering higher pay than in Germany. I certainly am not against increasing wages but that will increase health insurance premiums and it is still not a guarantee that the vacant jobs will be filled.
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What about the reduction in ICU beds or the closure of hospitals. Do you think that has something to do with it?
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They're full, but the capacity was higher at the start of the pandemic. What has caused the reduction?
This is new to me, where did you get that info from? Wanna check this out (not doubting you, just want to find out more about it as this sounds absolutely nuts).
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Don't shoot me...I am asking honestly as in the US, there are staff shortages in hospitals because some medical staff are not vaccinated. What is causing the hospital staff shortages in Switzerland? Is it the lack of vaccine uptake?

https://www.webmd.com/vaccines/covid...spital-workers
Burn out and stress according to Kassensturz. It’s been a trend for years now but Covid has taken its toll.

https://www.srf.ch/news/schweiz/bere...pflegepersonal

I’ve recently heard on the radio that some hospitals are considering requiring all newly employed staff to be vaccinated. This may well cause an even greater shortage in staff but I haven’t found any articles to substantiate this.
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This is new to me, where did you get that info from? Wanna check this out (not doubting you, just want to find out more about it as this sounds absolutely nuts).
https://www.srf.ch/news/schweiz/das-...mehr-qualitaet

https://www.tagblatt.ch/ostschweiz/j...8?reduced=true
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