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Old 07.03.2022, 12:45
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Some interesting news about the mother of Putins children, living in Ticin it seems…
No mentiontion of living in Ticino, just "somewhere in Switzerland.

Also, "Kabaeva denied having any children at all in July 2013, amid reports that she had given birth to a daughter at the elite hospital of Saint Ann in Ticino, Switzerland." is total BS. It is a bog standard normal hospitaly that specialises in maternity, nothing elite about it at all.

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Old 07.03.2022, 12:51
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I fail to see your logic: you question Swiss neutrality in the context of an international conflict but then you feel offensive that somebody questions chinese involvement in the very same international conflict? And call this person racist?
Well, then let me spell it out for you: the OP asked a question on a change in Swiss policy. One that is a major shift in Swiss politics and definitely worth discussing.
The OP is pretty obviously not as fluent and eloquent as others here... and was brushed off rather harshly from the beginning. Instead of debating a honestly interesting question did he get the knee-jerk reaction to bash his nations behaviour, something I have seen on EF specifically with three nationalities: Russian, Indian and Chinese.

Ask yourself: If this post was done by somebody else, say an Italian with not so perfect English skill - would he get the same response?
Option 1) Yes. So the EF crowd is just intolerant towards people who cant write well...

Option 2) No. So then it is based on his nationality... which is by definition indeed racist.

Either way: the reactions on this thread are not exactly friendly.
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Old 07.03.2022, 13:04
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I hope Chuff‘s answer was good for you in that link. You are Chinese so I have a question for you. What do you think of your leaders secretly negotiating with Putin and Russia about invading Ukraine way before it went ahead?
Everything OK?

Stress is not nice...punch something, have a drink in a sunny terrace, take a walk, walk to the shooting range and shoot something (Swiss freedoooom!). Hey, OP just asked something.
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Well, then let me spell it out for you: the OP asked a question on a change in Swiss policy. One that is a major shift in Swiss politics and definitely worth discussing.
The OP is pretty obviously not as fluent and eloquent as others here... and was brushed off rather harshly from the beginning. Instead of debating a honestly interesting question did he get the knee-jerk reaction to bash his nations behaviour, something I have seen on EF specifically with three nationalities: Russian, Indian and Chinese.

Ask yourself: If this post was done by somebody else, say an Italian with not so perfect English skill - would he get the same response?
Option 1) Yes. So the EF crowd is just intolerant towards people who cant write well...

Option 2) No. So then it is based on his nationality... which is by definition indeed racist.

Either way: the reactions on this thread are not exactly friendly.
And to counter that you make a totally useless comparison. Your options are also irrelevant here because the OP was implying his own idea of him and his friends putting money in Swiss banks when for me, it‘s not about money at all and it‘s not just what Switzerland is about.

I agree that the answers given were harsh, however, we are faced with such terrible consequences and now, for me, quite a few countries have unbelievably sided with Russia and support this genocide. Who in their right mind supports that?

I do though take your point of being a bit strong, I hate war, I really do….and especially dictators!



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Old 07.03.2022, 14:37
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No mentiontion of living in Ticino, just "somewhere in Switzerland.

Also, "Kabaeva denied having any children at all in July 2013, amid reports that she had given birth to a daughter at the elite hospital of Saint Ann in Ticino, Switzerland." is total BS. It is a bog standard normal hospitaly that specialises in maternity, nothing elite about it at all.

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I suggest you pop down to Lugano, drive about a bit and see how many more Russian registered cars that have appeared in the last few days, a few Maybachs too.
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Old 07.03.2022, 14:58
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I suggest you pop down to Lugano, drive about a bit and see how many more Russian registered cars that have appeared in the last few days, a few Maybachs too.
Haven't noticed any.

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Old 07.03.2022, 15:03
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The U.S. was neutral up to the point that it started it's lease-lend policy - and specifically when it started supplying military materials to the U.K. and Commonwealth. That was 1941.
where was swiss neutrality codified during ww2?

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where was swiss neutrality codified during ww2?

source?
It's been officially neutral for a couple of hundred years.

Last signed document was the Wiener Kongress 1815.
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No mentiontion of living in Ticino, just "somewhere in Switzerland.

Also, "Kabaeva denied having any children at all in July 2013, amid reports that she had given birth to a daughter at the elite hospital of Saint Ann in Ticino, Switzerland." is total BS. It is a bog standard normal hospitaly that specialises in maternity, nothing elite about it at all.

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Yes, both my kids were born there. The only difference was when Putin's child was being born, there were a lot of heavily armed guards round the room.
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Re: Why Switzerland give up neutrality in this sanction against Russian

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Haven't noticed any.

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If anything there are less. Many Russians are selling their super cars, watches etc just to raise some cash. Their credit cards now being worthless!!
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Old 07.03.2022, 15:19
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It's been officially neutral for a couple of hundred years.

Last signed document was the Wiener Kongress 1815.
and which part of the final act of the congress of vienna states no sales of war material?

im assuming you mean the oldest, not the last.
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and which part of the final act of the congress of vienna states no sales of war material?

im assuming you mean the oldest, not the last.
The last one which Switzerland actually tried to adhere to. Before that, Swiss mercenaries fought abroad - for money.

War materials is covered in the Hague Conventions 1907.
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Yes, both my kids were born there. The only difference was when Putin's child was being born, there were a lot of heavily armed guards round the room.
My wife, her sister, their kids and grand kids, plus one of my kids were all born there as well, plus most of the kids of my friends.

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Well, then let me spell it out for you: the OP asked a question on a change in Swiss policy. One that is a major shift in Swiss politics and definitely worth discussing.
The OP is pretty obviously not as fluent and eloquent as others here... and was brushed off rather harshly from the beginning. Instead of debating a honestly interesting question did he get the knee-jerk reaction to bash his nations behaviour, something I have seen on EF specifically with three nationalities: Russian, Indian and Chinese.

Ask yourself: If this post was done by somebody else, say an Italian with not so perfect English skill - would he get the same response?
Option 1) Yes. So the EF crowd is just intolerant towards people who cant write well...

Option 2) No. So then it is based on his nationality... which is by definition indeed racist.

Either way: the reactions on this thread are not exactly friendly.
I disagree. I don t think that the reaction OP got was due to his eloquence (which seems pretty good) but he simply got a reply with a question at the same level of his questions. If as you say he feels that his nation is bashed due to a honest question about China's role in these happenings (there are plenty of references to this question elsewhere in the forum, media etc) then he should assume to be offending the Swiss by his bashing of Switzerland in the first place, since the original post should be interpreted as bashing. I would be genuinely interested in, as the OP said to be interested in giving a reply to his friends in China, similarly to get to know what his friends perceive about the two sides of this war and which stance and opinion they have about the question asked by Haußamsee
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If anything there are less. Many Russians are selling their super cars, watches etc just to raise some cash. Their credit cards now being worthless!!
Did you know that the reason they came (Putin and his family) was because he’s friends with Berlusconi (and he had ties to the Lugano area). Hopefully the lot of them including all those hangers-on will just sling their hook and pee off to the Urals.
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Really, a news like this is solid. I do not think so. Again, this topic of support or against any country was not my original attention when I made this post.
What do you mean then?
Personally, I thought that the first reply answers it well enough, what's missing there?
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Did you know that the reason they came (Putin and his family) was because he’s friends with Berlusconi (and he had ties to the Lugano area). Hopefully the lot of them including all those hangers-on will just sling their hook and pee off to the Urals.
Putin and Berlusconi.

What a couple. A couple of.....
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Putin and Berlusconi.

What a couple. A couple of.....
…yes, they are: https://uk.news.yahoo.com/news/photo...slideshow.html

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/p...02327.html?amp





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Putin and Berlusconi.

What a couple. A couple of.....
St2lemans groaned you because I seem to recall that he thinks Berlusconi is great.

Having said that, he thinks Trump is great too!
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St2lemans groaned you because I seem to recall that he thinks Berlusconi is great.

Having said that, he thinks Trump is great too!
I think Tom’s finger is permanently glued to the groan button.
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