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Old 02.05.2023, 19:25
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Neuchâtel become first canton to make sexual orientation conversion therapy illegal

https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/society...rland/48480678

Several other cantons are likely to follow suit very soon and there is a motion going through Swiss parliament at the moment,
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Old 02.05.2023, 19:42
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https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/society...rland/48480678

Several other cantons are likely to follow suit very soon and there is a motion going through Swiss parliament at the moment,

Yep, the Swiss are once again proving they are by and large rational and not being driven by woke fads. Well done!
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Re: Neuchâtel become first canto to make sexual orientation conversion therapy illega

Maybe something lost in translation, but are then prohibiting helping someone transitioning to the gender they weren’t born with! Or attempting to force someone away from such transition, to maintain their birth gender?
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Yep, the Swiss are once again proving they are by and large rational and not being driven by woke fads. Well done!
Did you actually read the article???


Au contraire!
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Yep, the Swiss are once again proving they are by and large rational and not being driven by woke fads. Well done!
Not sure it means what you think it means.

In a nutshell, you can’t try to change someone’s sexual orientation or their chosen gender identity by ‘therapy’. For clarity:

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“This is a really strong signal. These practices, which we hope are very infrequent, are extremely damaging for those concerned. They have devastating effects because they are based on the mistaken idea that homosexuality or transgender identities are sicknesses that need to be cured,” said Florence Nater, a cantonal government minister.
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Old 02.05.2023, 20:22
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Re: Neuchâtel become first canto to make sexual orientation conversion therapy illega

Just ban all psychotherapy nonsense and be done with it!

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Old 02.05.2023, 20:37
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Did you actually read the article???


Au contraire!
So you are saying that homosexuality can be cured by therapy?
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Not sure it means what you think it means.

In a nutshell, you can’t try to change someone’s sexual orientation or their chosen gender identity by ‘therapy’. For clarity:

It's pretty clear. Not sure what's so hard to understand.



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will make it illegal to propose treatment to change sexual orientation in the canton. Inciting others to change their gender identity will also become a criminal offence, punishable by a fine.
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Re: Neuchâtel become first canto to make sexual orientation conversion therapy illega

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It's pretty clear. Not sure what's so hard to understand.
Further down in the article:
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“This is a really strong signal. These practices, which we hope are very infrequent, are extremely damaging for those concerned. They have devastating effects because they are based on the mistaken idea that homosexuality or transgender identities are sicknesses that need to be cured,” said Florence Nater, a cantonal government minister.
Don't worry, there is still so much to achieve :-)
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It's pretty clear. Not sure what's so hard to understand.
Just for clarity, what is it that you understand about this?
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Old 02.05.2023, 21:22
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Just for clarity, what is it that you understand about this?
Read the article. It's pretty short and clear
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Maybe something lost in translation, but are then prohibiting helping someone transitioning to the gender they weren’t born with! Or attempting to force someone away from such transition, to maintain their birth gender?
No, that’s absolutely not what they’re doing.
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Old 02.05.2023, 21:28
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Re: Neuchâtel become first canto to make sexual orientation conversion therapy illega

Garbage writing. It seems clear that the main news here is a ban of "curing homosexuality". Good.

What is very unclear is this garble about making it a crime to incite people to change their gender identification. Does that mean the woke hype suggesting anybody can all the time be "gender fluid"? I doubt it.
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Garbage writing. It seems clear that the main news here is a ban of "curing homosexuality". Good.

What is very unclear is this garble about making it a crime to incite people to change their gender identification. Does that mean the woke hype suggesting anybody can all the time be "gender fluid"? I doubt it.
The key sentence kind of explains it:

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These practices, which we hope are very infrequent, are extremely damaging for those concerned. They have devastating effects because they are based on the mistaken idea that homosexuality or transgender identities are sicknesses that need to be cured,” said Florence Nater, a cantonal government minister.
Basically you aren’t allowed to class homosexuality or transgender as a sickness and use some weird “therapy” as a conversion.

Reading between the lines, it probably also protects people from throwing money at loons using all sorts of unhinged and out-dated nonsense to fix a non-existent “condition” that can be “cured”.
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Basically you aren’t allowed to class homosexuality or transgender as a sickness and use some weird “therapy” as a conversion.

Reading between the lines, it probably also protects people from throwing money at loons using all sorts of unhinged and out-dated nonsense to fix a non-existent “condition” that can be “cured”.
Still doesn't explain the other nonsensical sentence about gender identity.
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Old 02.05.2023, 21:46
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Garbage writing. It seems clear that the main news here is a ban of "curing homosexuality". Good.
The original French text is better but I needed an English version for EF.
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Still doesn't explain the other nonsensical sentence about gender identity.
Agree. It’s appallingly written. My interpretation is that it will cover stuff like preventing parents forcing babies to be gendered differently to how they were born (born a boy but they wanted a girl, or vice versa). Or someone wanting to change gender being forced into a therapy to try to change their mind.

Can’t find the article in German so can’t find a better defined sentence.
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Old 02.05.2023, 22:39
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Re: Neuchâtel become first canton to make sexual orientation conversion therapy illeg

If you read the article in French then there is this sentence that seems to have been lost in the translation

"However, this ban is not at all intended to limit the supply of gender-affirming treatments (hormonal or surgical)."
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Garbage writing. It seems clear that the main news here is a ban of "curing homosexuality". Good.

What is very unclear is this garble about making it a crime to incite people to change their gender identification. Does that mean the woke hype suggesting anybody can all the time be "gender fluid"? I doubt it.
If today you identify as female, regardless of whether you have, e.g. a penis, it will illegal to incite you to change your mind so you identify as male. However, you will be entirely free tomorrow to identify as male. So, yes, it that "woke hype" as you call it.

Changing gender identity yourself is not banned. However if you feel that you are female, but wish that you felt you are male, you cannot be legally assisted in that.
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Changing gender identity yourself is not banned. However if you feel that you are female, but wish that you felt you are male, you cannot be legally assisted in that.

Which is precisely what we want as a society. Identify as whatever you want, just don't bother the rest of us with it. And you won't be treated (as in medically treated with hormones) differently because you decided to identify as Santa today and as Snow White tomorrow.
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