So if you ever needed any proof that Switzerland is more conservative than the rest of the world/Europe/UK here it is.

https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/switzer...term=automatic

They banned advertising tobacco in the UK some 25 years ago?

Sad news indeed.

Tom

Discussions take time

And also because there are over 50 firms processing tobacco in Switzerland so they have a very powerful lobby.

This.

Parliament is so beholding to big tobacco every law or regulation sent to parliament has failed by large margins.

However every federal or cantonal initiative that went to the people has passed with large majorities.

This regulation on advertising will only go into effect in 2026, 4 years after being approved by Swiss voters, but we have already seen the results. Other than at a kiosk I can’t recall the last tobacco ad that I’ve seen.

There is a typo in that story, the initiative was adopted in 2022, not 2002

are there any examples of this advertising. i've never noticed it so assumed it was already banned, but maybe i just missed it.

E-cigarettes are advertised regularly at point-of-sale in kiosks.

2026 as the date for the ban was probably chosen by the tobacco companies as it will give enough time for enough people to be addicted to them so they are commonly seen being smoked and advertise themselves.

Meanwhile, back in the UK ...

My impression too. Cigarette packs are behind the counter at shops but no big banners or neon ads. Also, no sports sponsoring, very few bars and restaurants have publicity. I see more branded ashtrays on restaurants in countries with "strong regulations" than here.

I've only seen the vaporizer ads on train stations. But if I'm going to buy a vaporizer, I won't put tobacco in it

Finally, I'll repeat it once again: shisha bars put more ads, hang banners with imagery, etc....and they're still there in the middle of neighborhoods.

Disclosure to make tom1234 happy. I'm hated by both heavy smokers and non-smokers: I'm a social cig smoker.

The only place I can remember seeing advertising for tobacco is in in-flight magazines, although I can't be sure when I last saw that, now I think about it.

And your point is?

But it is a vegan product!

I've seen Marlboro Man adverts down here in canton Congo, but can't remember when I last saw one. Certainly after 2014 when we moved, but perhaps not so recently. It's still owner's choice whether you can smoke in a bar. I'm actually fine with it being an individual decision, but it means that we won't frequent those bars. It surprises me that it's actually still a rational economic decision to allow it. I know others here who won't drink locally either, but maybe they win more from the smoking crowd. I doubt it though.

I used to be a social cig smoker and hated by both categories so you have my sympathies... (nah, not really "hated" irl )
However, for some reason I don't feel attracted to smoking for a good few years. This "vice" has sort of self-regulated for me, I've just naturally broken out of this habit. Having kids has definitely played a big role though. My s-i-l (who is a doctor btw) has offered me a cig a few times when we were on holiday together and was very surprised I'm just not tempted anymore, it doesn't do anything for me. In highscool, uni and a few workplaces we were all (almost) smoking during breaks etc and it felt like something you really wanted to do to join in, be part of the group, socialise. I became so blissfuly indifferent to the groupthink that if I'll ever be "excluded" because I'm "no fun" to be around, so be it, I don't give a rat's ass.

Back to tobacco advertising and tobacco industry, things are so much better than they used to be. I remember the wild '90s (where my teen years happened) when it was so frigging normalised and acceptable behaviour. Thank goodness we've all evolved since then, some more than others of course. Switzerland is not that bad, you can still smoke but it's not like you're assaulted with ads from all directions. It's fine by me*.
*let the comments roll...

Our next nicotine challenge. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-65522841

Cherry- picked from that story.

He sees the effect of the candy-flavoured, nicotine-packed e-cigarettes on young minds every day, with children even vaping in class.

"The ones who are deepest into it will just get up out of their seat, or they'll be fidgeting or nervous. The worst offenders will just walk out because they're literally in withdrawal."

Those who are most addicted need nicotine patches or rehabilitation, he says, talking about 13 and 14-year-olds.

Just like they did with smoking... 'Big Tobacco' has taken another addictive product, wrapped it in shiny packaging and added sweet flavours to create a new generation of nicotine addicts."

"We have been duped", he said.

Medical experts agree. Prof Banks argues that the promotion of e-cigarettes as a "healthier" alternative was a classic "sleight-of-hand" from the tobacco industry.

As such vaping has become "normalised" in Australia, and in the UK too.
"There's over 17,000 flavours, and the majority of use is not for smoking cessation", she tells the BBC.

"They're being heavily marketed towards children and adolescents. People who are smoking and using e-cigarettes - that's the most common pattern of use, dual use."

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I don't think the banning of tobacco advertising is an indication of being conservative, it's more an indication of the difference in the democratic process.

Ireland prohibited all tobacco advertising and promotion except in a limited set of circumstances in 1991, without much opposition. But the reality was that by 1991 smoking had become so expensive that most people had given up smoking by then in in any case. I remember being a navy sail training yacht in 1990 and not one of 25 men on board smoked! So it was economics that made it possible not political attitude.

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Yeah, right.

Hmm, I'd have thought you have been around long enough to understand how process work in this country...

Yes, that's why I rolled my eyes at what you had written:

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	In Switzerland, tobacco companies have almost free rein to advance their interests through elected officials. According to the Global Tobacco IndexExternal link, drawn up by health circles, Switzerland ranks as one of the countries where the tobacco industry has the strongest hold on politics (it comes in 79th place, out of 80 countries examined; only the Dominican Republic fares worse).

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