This shouldn’t be a muslim/jew/hindi/buddism Vs Christianity thing. Many Christian groups domiciled in Switzerland are denied access to funds. Anglicans, for example.

The government needs to get our of the role of tithe collector.

Oh, and the churches should be paying taxes in particular wealth taxes.

The funding and Church tax has been discussed here many times. The Catholic Church has always benefited from massive funds- but when the Protestants split in the early 16C - in some C/kantons- they didn't not have any funds at all.

Ever since then, in Reformed areas, the Church took on the care for the poor, the 'challenged' one way or another, handicapped, alcoholics, widows and orphans, etc. Later this was acknowledged by the K/C/State- and therefore it was decided that they should be supported in doing this, by the C/K and also by those in the Community that could afford it. Neuchâtel for instance, where I grew up- was massively Protestant. Catholics like my father, whose family came from the Catholic Jura- were a tiny minority. The official Churches, still today, take on a huge part of what we would call 'social services' and for the whole community, not just their own. Until not very long ago, the vast majority of the population 'belonged' to one or the other of the official Churches, so it 'worked'.

Today, Neuchâtel is almost 50/50 - with the huge immigration of Italians, thens Spanish and later Portuguese- with lots of inter-mariages. But still, both Churches provide social services for the whole community, irrespective of religion.

The website kath.ch, "a service provided by the Catholic Media Centre on behalf of the Roman Catholic Church in Switzerland", has published the following articles:

(Translation by DeepL.)

Tobias Vögeli (28) has introduced two motions in the Bern cantonal parliament. The subsidies to the Catholic Church should be frozen until it presents a viable protection concept. The cantonal church law is also to be tightened.

The article points out that state subsidies to the Catholic Church are about 12 million annually. I am not sure if that is to the BE Catholic Church or Swiss Catholic church as a whole.

https://www.kath.ch/newsd/berner-gro...che-sistieren/

Interestingly, the article points out that up until 2020 pastoral workers in the national church were cantonal employees. This underscores the need for government involvement.

Vögeli mentions, though, that his proposals won't starve the Church of funds, as these do not touch the church tax.

As I have said before and in other threads: State support of the churches, in the form of both subventions and more importantly in levying the church tax, has to stop if there is going to be any possibllilty of accountability. Until the bishops see that their existance depends on the goodwill of the faithful, they have no motivation to root out problems and pursue serious and lasting change.

The Catholic church elsewhere get by without a church tax - the laity donate as they see fit - and withhold funds when they see fit as well. An effective check on clergy and church officials.

But at least the concept of financial boycott of the Church is being discussed. Again, from kath.ch:

RKZ President Renata Asal-Steger: National churches could stop church taxes to bishops
No more church tax money for the bishops - that is something the President of the Roman Catholic Central Conference of Switzerland (RKZ) and Lucerne Synod Councillor, Renata Asal-Steger, can imagine. "I don't rule out that in future we will refuse to pay the bishops money if there is too little movement." Fundamental structures of the church would have to be changed to prevent abuse in the church context.

https://www.kath.ch/newsd/rkz-praesi...hoefe-stoppen/

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Whether there is enough anger and/or political will to take such steps remains to be seen.

I can only hope that there is. The Church needs fundamental reform - and that will ultimately have to start with the laity taking action.

Did anyone watch this documentary? Looked around the SRF website to stream it later, but I have not found it yet.

https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/zurich-...erach/48835618

Meloncollie 'The Church needs fundamental reform '

well it did happen, in the 16C. The Reformation!

No, but I read about it. I would have to decide whether to put it in this thread or the 'catch-all` Läderach thread featuring misogyny, homophobia, slave labour, and other traits of this Christian-right-wing family run business.

Is this the one?
https://youtu.be/hsRH1A7eEj8?feature=shared

Yes. But plainly that didn't suffice.

Well, it's about abusing others in the name of god. Does it fits here or is the thread only for Catholics?

Looks like it and it's subtitled. Only way I understand German, thanks!!!

Well it did not Reform the Catholic Church, for sure!

Then it must be ok for God