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Geneva - smoking ban overturned

After waking up on sat morning with a throat that felt like a razor had gone down it - I was looking forward to the ban coming to vaud.


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http://www.worldradio.ch/wrs/news/sw...ed.shtml?11577
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Old 30.09.2008, 18:29
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Re: Geneva - smoking ban overturned

Yup... this could very well still happen in Zurich... there are certain valid arguments that this ban or restriction go against the landlords constitutional right to conduct business freely (not finding the correct English wording here sorry)...
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Old 30.09.2008, 18:41
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Re: Geneva - smoking ban overturned

Hi,
but reading the article the problem was with the process and not the smoking ban. It seems what they should have done was first pass a law and then put it into place. Hopefully, neither Basel nor Zurich will make a mistake in the process of implementing the ban. Sadly passing a law first will probably delay the implementation of the ban.

It would be terrible to think that after having the hopes of being able to go into smoke free bars and restaurants that suddenly it all fell apart just because someone had not followed the standard process.

I hope for the people in Geneva that they now implement the required law and reimplement the ban otherwise it would be a terrible slap in the face of the people who voted in good faith for the ban.

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Old 30.09.2008, 19:05
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Yup... this could very well still happen in Zurich... there are certain valid arguments that this ban or restriction go against the landlords constitutional right to conduct business freely (not finding the correct English wording here sorry)...
Same thing happened recently in Germany, a court case went as far as the Verfassungsgericht (Constitutional Court I think) and teh plaintiffs won the case. Let's see what happens here in Switzerland
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I was looking forward to the ban coming to vaud.
You know, it's strange. I've never smoked a cigarette in my life, yet one of the things that I like about Switzerland is its relaxed approach to things like smoking (and letting dogs into restaurants etc).

They seem to take a sensible middle line - I've never been in a public place in CH where the smell of smoke was overwhelming, yet the needs of smokers seem to be catered to as well. Maybe it's the super-efficient ventilation systems...

So I hope they don't introduce a ban to Vaud. It's one of those nasty Anglo-Saxon politically correct things that I come to Switzerland to escape

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Hi,
but reading the article the problem was with the process and not the smoking ban. It seems what they should have done was first pass a law and then put it into place. Hopefully, neither Basel nor Zurich will make a mistake in the process of implementing the ban. Sadly passing a law first will probably delay the implementation of the ban.
Yup, the parlamentarians of the Social Republic simply blew it with the legislation process. Actually, that is a bit embarrassing.
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Re: Geneva - smoking ban overturned

Hi VaudBrit,

I was curious what you said "They seem to take a sensible middle line - I've never been in a public place in CH where the smell of smoke was overwhelming, yet the needs of smokers seem to be catered to as well. Maybe it's the super-efficient ventilation systems..."

I think you should visit Basel, I don't think I know any place in Basel where that is true. Go into any bar at the moment and the smell of smoke is overwhelming and in a lot of restaurants the same. Maybe you are lucky and have ventilation systems which work.

I not sure how the existing system is a middle way, currently it is all slanted one way.

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You know, it's strange. I've never smoked a cigarette in my life, yet one of the things that I like about Switzerland is it's relaxed approach to things like smoking (and letting dogs into restaurants etc).

They seem to take a sensible middle line - I've never been in a public place in CH where the smell of smoke was overwhelming, yet the needs of smokers seem to be catered to as well. Maybe it's the super-efficient ventilation systems...

So I hope they don't introduce a ban to Vaud. It's one of those nasty Anglo-Saxon politically correct things that I come to Switzerland to escape
I would like to groan you for this, but I don't think it is warranted.
I can't dissagree more. I smoked for 22 years and I quit 7 years ago. Yes I am one of those, I smoked, now I am smart and quit and now I hate being around smoke... so...
I do find the restaurants in many places do well in ventilating but others they seem to close the doors and keep the stink in. Maybe I think of my lungs (and my kids) too often now...
And the dogs in food halls and restaurants!!! I'll like to tell them all to get out, including the owners, I am sorry but restaurants are no places for dogs to be laying on the floor and yapping at everyone who walks by... (or in the food shopping carts as well.... gross!!)

BRING THE BAN HERE!!!

carry on....

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You know, it's strange. I've never smoked a cigarette in my life, yet one of the things that I like about Switzerland is it's relaxed approach to things like smoking (and letting dogs into restaurants etc).

They seem to take a sensible middle line - I've never been in a public place in CH where the smell of smoke was overwhelming, yet the needs of smokers seem to be catered to as well. Maybe it's the super-efficient ventilation systems...

So I hope they don't introduce a ban to Vaud. It's one of those nasty Anglo-Saxon politically correct things that I come to Switzerland to escape
I basically agree with your point. I am an ex-smoker (over 25 years ago). I think that smoking is a horrible habit and people should be encouraged not to take it up. I also believe that their should be restrictions on smoking in public places.

I do not agree that a total ban is the right thing to do. If people wish to smoke, and do so without affecting other people they should be alloed to continue.

The smoking ban in England has caused new problems. The obvious loss of trade to publicans etc. It has also added to noise and other problems outside pubs, particularly in towns. Smokers can regularly be seen in groups on the street outside the pub doors.

I am sure that there must be a sensible middle ground e.g. No smoking in food establisments, the workplace, public transport etc; Smoking only in designated, well ventilated rooms; Clear signs to indicate Smoking or Non-Smoking Establishments.

I am surprised that there have not been more challenges to the law.

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Re: Geneva - smoking ban overturned

They (some bod on the radio!) say the ban will be reinstated; they just need to go through the proper legal channels first. They reckon a minimum of about 4 months, could even take a year.

We had guests over from the UK this weekend - where the ban is already enforced. They commented they never realised how bad effect spending a whole night in a smoky bar/club had on them. They couldn't believe the difference. The stench of stale smoke the next morning, sore throat.

On the other hand, in the UK - the ban is linked to a lot of places going out of business. I'm not so sad to see a Yates or the likes of close but its sad to see a real local community, family ran place close.
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Re: Geneva - smoking ban overturned

I was very disappointed to go to a pub in Geneva last night to find the majority of people puffing away. It was Le Calamar, where they were also serving food. I found it quite unpleasant, and it is sad to think that a procedural mistake like this could overturn such a good initiative. I for one won't be eating there again until the ban is put back into place, hopefully soon as the tapas there was excellent .

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I was very disappointed to go to a pub in Geneva last night to find the majority of people puffing away. It was Le Calamar, where they were also serving food. I found it quite unpleasant, and it is sad to think that a procedural mistake like this could overturn such a good initiative. I for one won't be eating there again until the ban is put back into place, hopefully soon as the tapas there was excellent .

There's the back room which is non smoking. Le Calamar is a good hang-out; and not only for food . Last night was quite good (in all respects ) and we stayed till they started cleaning up . Am going now to crawl back under my desk and resume watch duty on the periscope...
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Re: Geneva - smoking ban overturned

Yeah, seems like a nice place - first time we'd been there as still exploring Geneva. The back room was full when we got there at 8.30... Didn't realise that was non-smoking through there though. Thanks for the tip.

The beer was good too
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Yeah, seems like a nice place - first time we'd been there as still exploring Geneva. The back room was full when we got there at 8.30... Didn't realise that was non-smoking through there though. Thanks for the tip.

The beer was good too
8:30 - then we must have walked in at the very same time. You have to try their mint tea. Oh, and their G&T
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Good to know that all the best people were there last night then

Will investigate the alternative beverages mentioned next time
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Re: Geneva - smoking ban overturned

Here in Lugano there is no smoking allowed in restaurants; however the smoke blowing into the restaurant from the patio diners still make it smokey inside and quite unpleasant for us non-smokers. I think all smokers should move out of the beautiful Alpine country to Siberia.

Seriously, smoking doesn't seem to be a major social/health concern here in Switzerland. I thought people were more careful with their health as there are so many sport enthusiasts here. But you see all the grandparents and parents smoking with their children present and even on the school grounds. And of course the middle school kids come out of school with their cigarettes ready to be lit up! Smoking in the public pools, soccer stadiums, and other public places needs to be banned as well. My 7 year old's soccer coach lit up during their tournament the other day. I couldn't believe it!

Yes, I'm a raving, militant anti-smoker! I hope this legislation goes further so that people are going to be forced to only smoke while on holiday in Turkey!

These are, of course, only opnions of mine and should not be groaned at because I do have a wonderful sister who smokes, and I still love her
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Re: Geneva - smoking ban overturned

Damn, I am due for another trip later this month in geneva and was looking forward to a few beers in the evening. Was great on my last trip not having to suffer from inhaling second-hand smoke.

Is this in all bars/restaurants?
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Re: Geneva - smoking ban overturned

In theory this means you can smoke anywhere but I would have thought it still comes down to managers discretion. I'm sure (and hope) some places will remain smoke free.
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Re: Geneva - smoking ban overturned

OK

I'll ask nearer the time for recomendations for smoke free drinking.

Usually go to the bar opposite the main station where they brew their own beer.

Also would be up for meeting some locals for a drink. I'll travel from ZH on the 21st for 3 nights.
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PM me closer to the time - will try and find some smoke free places for an after work drink
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